Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-13-2011, 02:43 AM #1
mrsD's Avatar
mrsD mrsD is offline
Wisest Elder Ever
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Great Lakes
Posts: 33,508
15 yr Member
mrsD mrsD is offline
Wisest Elder Ever
mrsD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Great Lakes
Posts: 33,508
15 yr Member
Lightbulb

I do agree that the nasal steroids are not really effective, and I think way over done and over promoted.

There is an OTC product hubby used for a while...NasalCrom.
This blocks histamine from mast cells...and is not a steroid.

But it is expensive. Hubby has worse nasal allergies than I do. I had allergy shots in my 20's and that helped me quite a bit. It wasn't much fun...and I had reactions all the time. So I quit after 3 yrs. Hubby finds taking Chlorpheniramine at night and on bad days, Allegra, during the day helps. I also make him use the grapeseed, during spring when he seems the worst. Both of us had a heavy season this year with all the rain we had..molds!

Boil that water for a long time. The organism in tap water is hard to kill...it is related to TB...and as such has a very heavy cell wall, and can survive well under many conditions, and that is why it is so prevalent in tap water. It is also a skin contaminant in wounds, surgical procedures and acne. It shows up in cheap botched office plastic surgery patients, for example. This organism is resistant to most antibiotics.

I consider the nose very important as a portal for disease and chemical toxicity. This path to the brain is quite distinct and fast.
Not to be gross, but, the amoeba thing from swimming in ponds/stagnant water, gets into the brain quickly thru the nose and kills the person ..no treatment for it available. This got alot of publicity in Texas and Florida in the recent years.
This is one of many incidents recently:
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/0...a-teens-death/
Seems to becoming more common in many states, but perhaps it is just medical communication being more efficient?

When you buy a nasal product in the stores, they are all made with sterile procedures, and people don't understand this as a rule.

Just be really careful.

Edit--- I just found this article describing a nasal product to deliver small amounts of insulin to the brain for Alzheimer's...
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/alz.../AN01956/rss=1
This illustrates the nose as a portal directly to the brain.
(low insulin in the brain is implicated in Alzheimer patients. The brain actually makes insulin because our body insulin does not cross the blood brain barrier. Low insulin in the brain is now called Type 3 diabetes.)
__________________
All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.-- Galileo Galilei

************************************

.
Weezie looking at petunias 8.25.2017


****************************
These forums are for mutual support and information sharing only. The forums are not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis or treatment provided by a qualified health care provider. Always consult your doctor before trying anything you read here.
mrsD is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
Debbie D (10-13-2011), EddieF (10-16-2011), tkrik (10-13-2011)
Old 10-13-2011, 09:46 AM #2
tkrik's Avatar
tkrik tkrik is offline
Wise Elder
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 8,403
15 yr Member
tkrik tkrik is offline
Wise Elder
tkrik's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 8,403
15 yr Member
Default

Well, let's just say that Zyrtec and I do not get a long. I had a horrible night last night waking up in the middle of the night with a one-sided headache. I think it was from spasms as my head was hard to move. Once I got it in another position, I was fine and went back to sleep. I also had the terrible dreams that I have experienced when taking Zyrtec. I also woke up this morning sore, spasming, and numbness in my torso as well as clammy feeling and dizzy. Not cool! I don't know if it's from the Zyrtec or from the restless sleep or MS acting up more because of my allergies. At any rate, Zyrtec is off my list again as I had weird reactions to it before. *sigh*

mrsD - I have heard good things about NasalCrom. I haven't tried it but it may be time. I know you are supposed to take it two weeks before allergy season starts as it takes that long to start working effectively. Yes, we had some good hard rains here that left lots of standing water/moisture. That does equal MOLD! We also have evaporative cooling in the house which presents more issues and with evaporative cooling you have to keep the windows open a little bit.
tkrik is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
Debbie D (10-13-2011)
Old 10-13-2011, 10:00 AM #3
mrsD's Avatar
mrsD mrsD is offline
Wisest Elder Ever
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Great Lakes
Posts: 33,508
15 yr Member
mrsD mrsD is offline
Wisest Elder Ever
mrsD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Great Lakes
Posts: 33,508
15 yr Member
Wink

Everyone is different. My husband will not use anything else at night.. Chlorpheniramine (The Brand is ChlorTrimeton)! It is available at WalMart for about 3 cents a pill. If they ever stop carrying it he will have a FIT. It is not long acting, but he doesn't seem to mind.

This year he was so bad, I got the Allegra for him for the daytime, and he said it worked "some".

Everyone is different. And I think tolerance is common too.
__________________
All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.-- Galileo Galilei

************************************

.
Weezie looking at petunias 8.25.2017


****************************
These forums are for mutual support and information sharing only. The forums are not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis or treatment provided by a qualified health care provider. Always consult your doctor before trying anything you read here.
mrsD is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
Debbie D (10-13-2011), tkrik (10-13-2011)
Old 10-13-2011, 10:21 AM #4
tkrik's Avatar
tkrik tkrik is offline
Wise Elder
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 8,403
15 yr Member
tkrik tkrik is offline
Wise Elder
tkrik's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 8,403
15 yr Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrsD View Post
Everyone is different. My husband will not use anything else at night.. Chlorpheniramine (The Brand is ChlorTrimeton)! It is available at WalMart for about 3 cents a pill. If they ever stop carrying it he will have a FIT. It is not long acting, but he doesn't seem to mind.

This year he was so bad, I got the Allegra for him for the daytime, and he said it worked "some".

Everyone is different. And I think tolerance is common too.
Thanks for your help mrsD! I'm going to have DD21 get me one of the otc saline sprays as well. They probably easier and just as effective as the Neti pot. I wake up with dry and irritate nasal passages.

It's true, what works for some may not work for others. Plus, I take other meds and the Zyrtec may not "agree" with my meds.

BTW - My massage therapist comes today and I'll have her do extra work on the sinus area. Believe it or not, after she does it I feel and breath better and the nasal passages start to open up and clear. I was surprised the 1st time she did it. I had never heard of a sinus massage and didn't think it would work but tried it anyhow.

Last edited by tkrik; 10-13-2011 at 10:23 AM. Reason: addition
tkrik is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
Debbie D (10-13-2011)
Old 10-13-2011, 10:26 AM #5
Debbie D's Avatar
Debbie D Debbie D is offline
Elder
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Naperville IL
Posts: 5,169
15 yr Member
Debbie D Debbie D is offline
Elder
Debbie D's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Naperville IL
Posts: 5,169
15 yr Member
Default

Mrs. D,
Regarding the nasal insulin for prevention of Alzheimer's...would this help someone who does not have diabetes? DH's mom is in late stages of Alz, and has type 2 diabetes...I am concerned because DH is beginning, at age 58, to have some trouble with memory, but he does not have diabetes. It could be middle age memory problems, but I do watch him and keep notes about what I observe...
He has had 3 of 4 grandparents die from dementia...of course they were in their 80s and 90s, so it could be age related...
anyway, just wondering...
__________________
Instant Karma's gonna get you-gonna knock you right in the head...John Lennon
Debbie D is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
tkrik (10-14-2011)
Old 10-13-2011, 10:40 AM #6
mrsD's Avatar
mrsD mrsD is offline
Wisest Elder Ever
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Great Lakes
Posts: 33,508
15 yr Member
mrsD mrsD is offline
Wisest Elder Ever
mrsD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Great Lakes
Posts: 33,508
15 yr Member
Lightbulb

There was a inhaled orally insulin in US until recently. It was made by Pfizer, and was called Exubera. However, it was not easy to titrate doses, caused irritation and patient acceptance was low. So they stopped making it.

The insulin for nasal application is different as it goes thru the nerves in the olfactory bulb in the nose directly to the brain.
Insulin does not cross the blood brain barrier, and so what gets into the brain will not come out. How to get the nasal to do both jobs then for the body and brain is problematic dose wise because insulin is very carefully measured for each person's needs.
I believe what was used in the studies is something that is not FDA approved yet for mass consumption.

Here is more to read about it:
http://www.diabetesnet.com/about-dia...nhaled-insulin

Type 3 diabetes, is relatively new, and low insulin in the brain is also tied to other neurological conditions in the brain, like Parkinson's as well. With some time, we may hear more about this.

But understand that nasal application of drugs goes to the brain rapidly and because of that one needs to be very careful with neti pots or other drugs. Cocaine of course is the most well known...and chronic use of IT erodes the septum and destroys the membranes as well as the nose being the royal road to euphoria.
__________________
All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.-- Galileo Galilei

************************************

.
Weezie looking at petunias 8.25.2017


****************************
These forums are for mutual support and information sharing only. The forums are not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis or treatment provided by a qualified health care provider. Always consult your doctor before trying anything you read here.
mrsD is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
tkrik (10-14-2011)
Old 10-13-2011, 02:28 PM #7
hollym's Avatar
hollym hollym is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,690
15 yr Member
hollym hollym is offline
Senior Member
hollym's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,690
15 yr Member
Default

I find this interesting because I was on Singulair for asthma for years. I went off of it for good when I got pregnant with my 2nd child. I never went back on it because the asthma seemed to disappear after he was born. The doctor said that body chemistry can change with pregnancy and whatever allergies were causing the asthma could have gone away.

Then, about 4 years later, I had my first full blown flare up that left me pretty disabled for awhile. It probably took 2 years and multiple rounds of IVSM to get back to about 80% of where I was before that. I've never gotten back to 100%.
__________________
Dx: CNS Demyelinating Disease (2005)

Take me back to days full of monkeyshines
Bouncin' on a bubble full of trouble in the summer sun
Keep your raft from the riverboat
Fiction over fact always has my vote
And wrinkles only go where the smiles have been...

Jimmy Buffett from "Barefoot Children in the Rain"


.
hollym is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
SallyC (10-13-2011), tkrik (10-14-2011)
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Ach Receptor Binding ATB teelae Myasthenia Gravis 3 04-18-2011 09:46 AM
FDA investigation on Singulair & Suicide Chemar Medications & Treatments 8 04-07-2008 12:32 AM
Altered AMPA Receptor Trafficking and ALS BobbyB ALS 0 11-07-2006 05:56 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:33 AM.


Powered by vBulletin • Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2025 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
 

NeuroTalk Forums

Helping support those with neurological and related conditions.

 

The material on this site is for informational purposes only,
and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis or treatment
provided by a qualified health care provider.


Always consult your doctor before trying anything you read here.