Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-24-2011, 11:59 AM #1
Harry Z Harry Z is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: London, Canada
Posts: 241
15 yr Member
Harry Z Harry Z is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: London, Canada
Posts: 241
15 yr Member
Default MS not an immune disease!

I'm sure all will find this article very interesting. It goes against the current thinking of most MS researchers and as a result, the scientist who wrote it is likely to be on the receiving end of a lot of flack.

http://asknicola.blogspot.com/2011/1...erosis-is.html

Harry
Harry Z is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
EddieF (12-24-2011), goldie (01-11-2012), Jappy (12-29-2011), Judy2 (12-30-2011), SallyC (12-24-2011), Twinkletoes (12-28-2011)
Old 12-24-2011, 12:34 PM #2
SallyC's Avatar
SallyC SallyC is offline
In Remembrance
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: SW Ohio
Posts: 17,844
15 yr Member
SallyC SallyC is offline
In Remembrance
SallyC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: SW Ohio
Posts: 17,844
15 yr Member
Default

Sounds like a reasonable theory, just as does the Auto Immune theory. Is any of this going to lead to a cure? NOOOOOOOOO!!!
__________________
~Love, Sally
.





"The best way out is always through". Robert Frost



~If The World Didn't Suck, We Would All Fall Off~
SallyC is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
Jappy (12-29-2011)
Old 12-24-2011, 12:51 PM #3
Kitty's Avatar
Kitty Kitty is offline
Wisest Elder Ever
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Deep South
Posts: 21,576
15 yr Member
Kitty Kitty is offline
Wisest Elder Ever
Kitty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Deep South
Posts: 21,576
15 yr Member
Default

Makes sense to me. Maybe with CCSVI there will be additional research on this theory.
__________________
These forums are for mutual support and information sharing only. The forums are not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis or treatment provided by a qualified health care provider. Always consult your doctor before trying anything you read here.
Kitty is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
Jappy (12-29-2011), SallyC (12-24-2011)
Old 12-24-2011, 01:12 PM #4
Blessings2You's Avatar
Blessings2You Blessings2You is offline
Elder
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Vermont
Posts: 6,726
15 yr Member
Blessings2You Blessings2You is offline
Elder
Blessings2You's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Vermont
Posts: 6,726
15 yr Member
Default

Wonder why it wasn't in any news media?
__________________
*
*
*

**My flesh and my heart may fail, but God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever. (Psalm 73:26)
Blessings2You is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
Jappy (12-29-2011)
Old 12-24-2011, 01:58 PM #5
EddieF's Avatar
EddieF EddieF is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 702
15 yr Member
EddieF EddieF is offline
Member
EddieF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 702
15 yr Member
Default

I say everyone post their LDL levels.
EddieF is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 12-24-2011, 04:35 PM #6
Mariel Mariel is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 724
15 yr Member
Mariel Mariel is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 724
15 yr Member
Default

I wish Dr. Swank was alive to see this vindication of his view about fats and MS. He posited many many years ago that saturated fats caused an attack on myelin. However, he did still refer to it as an auto-immune disease, saying that consumption of fat causes a reactive auto-immune attack on myelin. His test for MS (which he used in conjunction with standard tests) was to see if blood cells slowed down in the presence of oil in a petri dish.
I was tested by him and my cells slowed down.

Concerning the request to state one's LDL, mine at last count was l79, and my HDL (the good cholesterol) was only 27. This very low HDL is characteristic of people with one of my other diseases, Polycythemia Vera.

I can't take statins because I have Porphyria. However, I have been on the Swank low fat diet for over a quarter of a century, with one modification, eating more eggs than he
advised (egg cholesterol has been shown to be more beneficial than harmful in current research). I have always gotten along well with eggs. It is important for me to force myself to eat good fats so my dry skin won't blow away.

I also limit my sugars, although I must have adequate carbohydrate because I have Porphyria. Dr. Swank did not limit pure sugar, although he probably would have advised moderation. I eat a little sugar, but not much. If I eat sugar it's pure sugar, not a substitute, most of which are toxic for Porphyria. I eat some honey and maple syrup to sweeten things like baked apples and cereal. Dr. Swank himself lived into his mid-nineties because (he said) he followed his own MS diet, even though he did not have MS.
He followed the diet because it's healthy for arteries and hearts.

Here's to you, Dr. Swank! A toast to you on Christmas Eve, 2011.

PS, I know I have a lipid disorder, although it has not been diagnosed. I have always had trouble digesting fats, and some time ago (ten years) a naturopath did a lipid study on me which blew her mind with the results. I had a skewed profile, with Omega 3 three times normal, even though I was unable to tolerate things like fish oil; I presume this might be due to not metabolizing Omega 3 and thus having it floating around in my blood, although I do not know, and she did not know. My other Omegas were low. Today I am unable to eat much Omega 3--just a few walnuts, occasional tuna or sardines, a little bit of walnut oil.
But must be careful to limit it. Bizarre?
Mariel is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
dmplaura (12-24-2011), SallyC (12-24-2011), Twinkletoes (12-28-2011)
Old 12-25-2011, 05:00 PM #7
Harry Z Harry Z is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: London, Canada
Posts: 241
15 yr Member
Harry Z Harry Z is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: London, Canada
Posts: 241
15 yr Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SallyC View Post
Sounds like a reasonable theory, just as does the Auto Immune theory. Is any of this going to lead to a cure? NOOOOOOOOO!!!
Hi Sally,

If this theory pans out, then controlling the problem would possibly lead to the closest thing to a cure that I've seen. But one must remember, it won't do anything for axons that are already damaged by MS.

But we can also expect to see this scientist coming under a lot of flack from the established world of MS medicine. After all, she has just told them that decades of work they have done using the auto immune theory is out the window.


Merry Christmas.

Harry
Harry Z is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
SallyC (12-25-2011)
Old 12-25-2011, 09:19 PM #8
SallyC's Avatar
SallyC SallyC is offline
In Remembrance
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: SW Ohio
Posts: 17,844
15 yr Member
SallyC SallyC is offline
In Remembrance
SallyC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: SW Ohio
Posts: 17,844
15 yr Member
Default

The scientific world suggesting that MS is not an auto immune disease, is not new Harry. I believe John Hopkins brought up that possibility years ago.
__________________
~Love, Sally
.





"The best way out is always through". Robert Frost



~If The World Didn't Suck, We Would All Fall Off~
SallyC is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 12-25-2011, 09:24 PM #9
daisy.girl daisy.girl is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 258
15 yr Member
daisy.girl daisy.girl is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 258
15 yr Member
Default

I have failed on 3 DMD's and have really thought, what if the side effects of these drugs are worse than the MS!
I have often thought what if THEIR theories are wrong and we are all taking these powerful drugs!!
Really makes you think!!
__________________
Dx: RRMS Jan 2010;
LDN: March 2010-Dec 2010; Aug 2012-Nov 2012
Tysabri: Feb 2011-March 2011 reaction
Gilenya: August 2011 reaction
Copaxone: October 2011 reaction
Tecfidera: May 2013 reaction
daisy.girl is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
goldie (01-11-2012), SallyC (12-25-2011)
Old 12-26-2011, 04:48 PM #10
Harry Z Harry Z is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: London, Canada
Posts: 241
15 yr Member
Harry Z Harry Z is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: London, Canada
Posts: 241
15 yr Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SallyC View Post
The scientific world suggesting that MS is not an auto immune disease, is not new Harry. I believe John Hopkins brought up that possibility years ago.
The "not autoimmune theory" has surfaced a number of times over the years but each and every time the established world of MS medicine has always been quick to dismiss it, often very aggressively. And it won't take long for the attacks to happen on this latest theory. Instead of co-operation, it will be confrontation. How very sad.
Harry Z is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
Kitty (12-26-2011), SallyC (12-26-2011)
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Genetic Link Discovered Between Immune System, Parkinson's Disease reverett123 Parkinson's Disease 6 08-27-2010 02:34 PM
Immune support - Immune defense against disease with several subdivisions. nutri General Health Conditions & Rare Disorders 2 02-06-2007 12:33 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:41 AM.


Powered by vBulletin • Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2025 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
 

NeuroTalk Forums

Helping support those with neurological and related conditions.

 

The material on this site is for informational purposes only,
and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis or treatment
provided by a qualified health care provider.


Always consult your doctor before trying anything you read here.