I saw the thread was getting long on the other one, so I think this will make it easier.

Phase 2 Week 1 Day 1

She was very pleased with the progress I was making, but not for the reasons I was pleased. She told me that she was pleased I was starting to sweat because that meant my lymph channels were opening up. She was pleased that my face has really lost its red color. This means I am releasing heat. She was pleased that I seemed more cognitively aware and therefore she could speak to me and know I was hearing her.

She did more tests to see if I was exposed to even more things and kept banging on one finger in one spot with her pointer thing and I said OUCH! WTH! and she said to wait, cause this simply couldnt be. She went to her library of books, and looked stuff up and came back and did it again. She said "this doesnt make any sense! and then she did it again. She turn off her machine, reset it and did it again. I said WHAT! omg you are scaring me. She wanted to know if I had ever served time in Viet Nam. (lol) I said no,sorry. She asked if I had ever been exposed to a chemical that was used as a defoliant. I said well, yes, they used that stuff on the reservation all the time. We had a vine called Kudzu and its EVERYWHERE! it grows fast, thick and crazy. She asked if one of my parents served in nam. I said my dad did, but on a Navy boat,not boots on the ground. She said yes, but his boat carried men to boots on the ground locations? I said I guessed, but didnt know. She said in her practice she has only seen it pop up 3 times in 20 years, but I somehow have been exposed to agent orange. (ok, now I am ready to walk and call BS on the whole thing.) I decided to let her finish. She talked about DDT (which I knew they spayed with great ferocity in the back woods where we lived) and she wondered if they didnt use agent orange to clear the Kudzu. She also spoke that I test positive for Ebstein Barr.

She went on to say that had I been on normal course I could just go back and see her in 60 days, and do a couple more treatments and be done, but the DDT and AO were too tough to clear without constant work. She got on the phone and did some chatting with someone and kept saying "ah..aha..oh..ok, well, that makes sense." Then she came back to me and said "I know you are ready to walk away and call me crazy, but the machine doesnt lie. before you walk off, lets talk about this. You could have received exposure to AO if one of your relatives, or a husband had been exposed. You could have been exposed if they used it to defoliate your back woods area. You could have been exposed if your dad allowed you to take tours on the boats he worked on. They never cleaned those boats of chemical exposures after they carried the troops that were exposed or even those boats and gear that got sprayed with it as they sputtered it over land and sea. Some ships carried the stuff to viet nam for use, and some stored it until ready for use. Some aircraft carriers to this day have traces of it in/on the machines. She spoke of one other woman she had seen that was the main care taker for her father who had a huge exposure and that is how she became contaminated.

She wants to see me every 7 to 10 days to clear my system of DDT/AO/EB she spoke of how much of a nerve toxin both AO and DDT are and while EB can be a problem its really the other two she is worried about and exclaimed that she didnt believe me to have a 2nd hand exposure. As with the Cat, DH and I are shaking our heads and saying...weird! dont believe her! Gonna take our money and run now!

I got home, called my mom (which was hard cause we have stopped speaking) I asked about dad and war time and didnt mention AO at all. I asked what he did in the war with viet nam. She spoke of how he would work on different boats. some aircraft carriers, some war ships, and since he was a fire fighter instructor he would go with some troops "boots on the ground" to put out the village fires caused by AO that got too closely sprayed too the populated villages. He also work on a medical ship for a while and they took care of sick and injured. I asked her if dad was ever directly exposed to AO. she said "oh yeah! all the time" it was his job to teach others how to extinguish it if it got out of control. They used it to demonstrate classes back in the early 70s. I asked if he had been tested for his exposure and she said "oh yeah, he had it, but we dont ever think he showed symptoms. oh course he was such a bad drunk you couldnt tell what was drunken behavior and what was PTSD and what was real sickness. (my mom the compassionate one)

We went on to talk about the back woods of the reservation. She spoke of how they would spray stuff from planes to try to clear the Kudzu because that stuff just wouldnt die. She said she heard rumors that they used stuff "like agent orange" but no one ever confirmed it.

We used to tour my fathers ships everytime he came home from a tour. We would sit and drink soda in the galley and lay in his bunk and wander all over that place. Then in his elder years after he lost a leg to diabetes I took him home and took care of him. It reached a point where I couldnt anymore and was forced to put him in a nursing home, but I was his main care giver and never had any idea. Breaks my heart. I would have looked harder at why he did some of the stuff he did and complained of. I just thought he was an old drunk who was dying. Now I feel bad.

ok, so the AO connection is a probable one! I have ZERO idea how she pulled that out of her hat. She said she has only seen it 3 times in all her years there, so ...she has regained my trust. DDT is easy, they sprayed that stuff everywhere on Navy bases. EB is easy I was a prison nurse. Really twisted my head around and I was ready to cry BS, but now that I put some pieces together...

She spoke of wanting to keep me on some suppliments. I told her I couldnt afford what she was selling but would seek out the same product on the internet if she was willing. (lets see if she is just selling me a product my mind was saying) and she said "normally I keep you on a product for 90 days from my hands because I know whats in it, but since you will be coming here once a week for 6 weeks I will test whatever product you bring. so, sure go ahead and use the products you can find at a cheaper source. DH bought the round of meds she wanted me to have yesterday rather than have me go home and wait to go back on them, but I have begun to seek out places that carry the same product at a much much cheaper price.

She did change some and started to do some flushing stuff. She had me hold the electrodes and let the machine work. After she was done my hands were black! sticky and black. I asked what that was, and she said it was my body releasing the toxin she had preprogramed in. im not a sweat girl so for me to have drippy palms was weird. The rim of my Tshirt was black from sweat and my underpants had black streaks from sweat lines.

I felt completely wiped out. Like I had stayed up 4 nights in a row and was ready for a nap. We spoke about my tummy and what rough shape its in. She spoke of a bio film and how my tummy has not been able to absorb the nutrients from what I eat so it didnt matter how much I ate, I am malnourished. She said I look better, but she added a product that is going to kill the bio film. Due to all the well water from the back woods she said I have parasites and have had them for a very long time (this I can believe)

She plopped a machine that was buzzy onto my chest and then handed me a brass bar to hold. It buzzed for about 3 mins and then she took it off. I noticed my racing heart had calmed down. I keep getting the feeling that a butterfly is trapped in my throat. My pulse will kick up and run to 140 and then in a few minutes it will calm down to 60. It was running when she flipped that thing on my chest, and I havent had it run since she did it. I have NO idea what she did.

She said its electronic dermatotologic stimulation and a type of biofeedback for the nervous system. since our nervous system is involuntary you can force your heart to not beat or your lymphatic to not carry out the trash, so this electrical stim helps to rebalance its energy.

I came home and slept for 12 hours. I feel better today. I feel more focused, I feel more stable. I am still tired, but its a good tired. Yesterday was a $250 visit and then the suppliments ran about $500 so, it was another big money day. When I return each week it will be $135 for the treatment. I have started shopping for suppliments and lets say this eye stuff she gives me is $79 at her shop, I found it on line for $12. looks like the same stuff. same maker, same bottle. Another one she has is $73 for a bottle that lasts 3 months. I found it on line same exact maker for $9 so that will help greatly.

In the end, I am satisfied with her answers. I am going to continue treatment thru phase two (six weeks) and I will keep taking the suppliments for another round. I am happy with the progress I am making. I am looking better, feeling better, acting better, and holding out great hope for a better tomorrow. Without DMDs and without MS sx. While I still have MS my hope is that we can put it to sleep and just let sleeping dogs lay.

I will update you every few days and after the electronic treatments, but I dont think there is a need to show up every day and say "slept well" or "up all night" I have some yucky new suppliments that promise to curl the hair on your toes, and make you gag when you take them. I will be taking them.

So, thats what happened. I will check back in a few days and let you know how its going. Thanks for sharing my ride.

I can't help thinking, that she is doing just that Deb, taking you for a ride. My advise is to get a professional's advice and stop spending any more money, until you are sure.

Just like big pharma and the DMDs....putting the fear of stopping into you, so you will continue.

We could have all been exposed to AO, so her aha there is a red flag. Have you talked with anyone who has had her full program? And are they cured/very much improved?

Thank you very much for this. Quite interesting. I am trying to keep my mind open about the machines versus experience and observation. I guess you are getting all of the above.

Regarding the exfoliants, they probably sprayed something around the prison you worked for.

ANN

Weird about the black sweat. Sort of reminds me when I got eyeliner tattooed on - I blew ink out my nose.

I wish you well with this, Dej! It may take a long time and a lot of money before you know for sure if it works. But if/when it does, WOW! It will all be worth it!

Somewhere in my garage is an old medical device that sounds similar to what you describe. It has hand-held electrodes. They are collector items now but who knows? Maybe they worked.

I absolutely believe you could have MS (or a facsimile) from exposure to AO. Years ago when I first got MS dx, I read loads about people intoxicated with AO. As for herbicides, they are one of the very worst thing for causing people to become active with porphyria. DDT is probably the least dangerous one...lots of others which are extremely bad, including the products everyone uses in their yards. This may indeed cause MS or its facsimile. In my opinion. Whether or not this doctor's zappers do the trick, her pinpointing AO exposure is probably right on the money. You and your mother have told the whole story in great detail of how you got exposed.
Whether or not this caused MS, don't know for sure, but I do not think this is wasted money you are spending. Sometimes with a "natural" doctor we hit the jackpot. I am just astonished that this problem was not pinpointed before!
Those of us who have porphyria are more likely to seek information on "what poisoned us". As I just posted on another thread, a few years ago there was a discussion about some MS being autoimmune and some being from chemical toxins. Mine, I believe is from chemical toxins. Maybe yours too. Bull's eye.

I had my first attack of "whatever" at Stanford when I was exposed to the following suspects: 1. Formaldehyde used in the Biology lab. 2. probably grass exfoliant used in the very high dry grass behind the idyllic dorm (sarcasm intended). 3. mold and mold reducers used on the interior carpet 4. poor food which was high in salt and grease.
My father sent me there by working a second job for 17 years. And that's what I got when I arrived. However, I
am not as mad as I sound, concerning my personal results, because this is pretty common, in my opinion. The majority of people may be able to detoxify all of these things, so that those of us who do not properly detox, and are overwhelmed (as I was) by multiple toxins, may come away changed for life. I was NOT a hypochondriac as implied.
The doctors just didn't know anything. At Stanford. THEY DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING. Yes, I needed a specialist, perhaps, but no one told me to go find one in town, in Palo Alto. I am glad I am smarter than they were even though it hurts a lot to realize what lazy hidebound unmentionables they were. I was only 17 and very naive, although in the top of the Freshman entrance group. I didn't know I needed more help than the Health Service provided, and I thought they must be right that it was all emotional. And to this day they probably never figured out those things, as they applied to me or others who came along. They are NOT a great university, not in that field.

Please know that I am in constant contact with my MD. He is aware of what I am doing, who I am seeing, what I am taking, and what she is asking of me. I am not doing this in lieu of medical care, I am doing it in conjunction with medical care. I still see my MD. I am still taking my western meds if I need them, I still see my dentist and chiropractor. I have not abandoned all forms of care and wandered off into the woods with her. I am simply adding this to my care for the next 2 months. if I win, I win. If I lose at least I tried.

I am feeling better. I am looking better. I am seeing improvements with each day. I have more stamina. I have more cognitive stability. I am no longer laying in bed for most of the day. Step by step, day by day I am seeing hope.

Since this is not something that will happen for the next year, and its a short term try to reverse some of the trigger exposures I have had in my past. Im gonna keep going.

Thank you for all the support and encouragement. I am sure those who take LDN or vitamin therapy or just go on the Swank diet and no DMDs or gluten free can be met with skeptics, but if it works, and I feel its helping I am going to finish this 3 month run. What will be telling is if I have a relapse.

Thought this was interesting. Did you guys know this?

http://www.webmd.com/multiple-sclero...s-linked-to-ms

Scroll down and in the article it says that almost everyone has had EB by the time they reach adulthood but they do not develop MS. However, everyone who has MS has been infected with EB. So not surprising that you would test positive for EB.

The whole article is interesting I think.

dont even get me started on what I was exposed to in nursing school, then prison jobs, and being an inner city parmedic...oh goodness! I cant believe I didnt ring up for asbestos or things like that. I know I have played in formaldehyde and tons of other chemicals. We have no idea what was actually used in the back woods of the indian reservation as they did what they wanted, when they wanted. I have had every vaccine known to modern man as they thought us to be savages and unclean, and then we ate government food forever, who knows what was in that! Between the navy housing and moving every 3 to 6 months and then being plopped onto a rez...who knows!

To answer another question, yes I personally know folks that she has treated that were quite sick and are now better. One man had horrible tummy stuff going on, then was declared to have colon cancer. They kept telling him that his blood work showed an active bleed but they couldnt find where. He went to her and she told them exactly where to look in his colon. It was a bleeding cancerous polyp and had they not found it in that tiny corner it would have ended him. Today he is back to work full time as a truck driver. He also runs a farm in his spare time. He used to work at a tannery and was exposed to numerous bad things. I know 5 or 6 that have gone to see her. They range from very sick and now great to were not so bad and doing better. She is a detective of sorts and tries to find the trigger of what made you sick in the first place. Once that is removed the body should be able to heal itself.

OMG you cant believe one of the things she gave me to drink. UGH UGH UGH!!! nasty! another taste like licking a tree! most are in capsule form.

Thank you for your support. it means a lot when you try something off the normal path for others to cheer lead you.

QUOTE: "OMG you cant believe one of the things she gave me to drink. UGH UGH UGH!!! nasty! another taste like licking a tree!"

Count you blessings Dej; there are a few supplements/nutritional supports that are even more than the 'tripple UGH!!! nasty!' and taste like something quite other than licking trees. One that comes to mind definitely tastes like licking the underside of a lawnmower (rotting and fresh cut grass mixed with gasoline). Another one has such a smell that truly it would knock a buzzard of a manure wagon.
Holding your nose and drinking stuff like that through a straw helps. So does mixing it with a little pineapple or orange juice.

The thing that she put on your chest where you hold an electrode was probably a Rife generator (it imputes an electomagnetic frequency); and has been proven to be helpful for many situations. Rife generators aren't used all that much anymore since the introduction of the quantum biofeedback systems. The one that she seems to be using is an advancement of these technologies. One that integrates patient data with a greater spectrum of electormagnetic band widths.

Glad that you were able to find some of the supplements on-line at a better price as that should help to off-set the overall cost.
Hang in there. With the improvements that you've had thus far it does seem reasonable to continue and your own wisdom gained through personal experience will be the best guide in that respect.

Looking forward to your updates.
With love, Erika

Keep on with it, Dej... We don't understand the human body as well as we think we do. Look at how long it took the West to accept acupuncture...it's about the energy meridians and clearing this blockages.
We are an electrical system...it's about energy transfer constantly going on in the body. I used to have cognitive therapy that involved holding onto a vibrating electrode in each hand...worked better than any talk therapy ever did...
As for EB virus, 100% of MS patients have it in their systems. And I truly believe that environmental toxins, especially this used to kill foliage/yard pests, have messed with our systems enough to cause an uptick in MS & other disorders...
But how she was able to pick up on that...well that blew my mind...