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Saw the second study after posting my response and PLEASE!!! Please please, don't mess around with thyroid medications trying to cure MS. The thyroid is a very important organ in the body which regulates all manners of things from our body temperature, to weight, heart rate, digestion, immune system...etc... it's almost as important as our brains and controls almost as much too... it is not something to mess around with and is very prone to easy and irreversible damage that can be life threatening.
The EAE which they give to mice and rats in labs is NOT MS, it only mimics mylenin damage similar to the damage found in those with MS. There is a million and one different ways in which they manipulate the little mousies after giving them the disease and less than 1% of the different manipulations will end up being viable for human studies. Rodents have a very simplistic brain structure, and an incredibly high metabolism, in other words a little bit goes a long way, but to increase it expidentially for human trials the greater majority of these manipulations would be fatal. A large portion of the studies which show "remylenation" aren't seeking a "cure" for MS, but are done looking for links that may explain exactly what is "causing" MS. Know the cause, hopefully find the cure. Why does one twin get it and another doesn't, despite a fairly clear genetic influence on the disease... what is happening in the body's immune system to make it attack the mylenin sheath and just the mylenin sheath. So scientists manipulate other things in mice to see what if any involvement there maybe. Is it surprising at all that by over stimulating the thyroid gland there's a change in immune response? No... the thyroid helps to control our immune systems it would be more shocking if there wasn't... do they still have to play around with the little mousies to see that? Yep... we've come worlds away from thinking bathing would make us sick and should only be done once a month or less as far as our knowledge of human diseases goes... but we haven't figured out a whole lot beyond soap being good (when not used to excess) in the grand scheme of things medically.
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Starznight, I agree with what you have written.
Because of my day job I know a lot of immunology. Auto-immune diseases are specially complicated, with a mixture of genetic and environmental risk factors. Also, it is common for any two people with the same clinical diagnosis to differ a lot in disease progression, the relative importance of inflammatory processes, responses to different treatment modalities, etc. I doubt that there will ever be a single "magic bullet"cure for any auto-immune disease. In my view all that health professionals can try to do is to work with their patients as individuals, monitoring them closely and altering treatment modalities based on clinical evidence.
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"Thanks for this!" says: | Jappy (06-29-2017), Starznight (06-08-2017) |
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I just read thru Staqrznight's two posts and I KNOW most of you have done it all or a lot. There are new people entering the MS world all the time. And I suppose I'm still fighting the battle on behalf of Barbara and she's no longer here.
1. Whether Palmer Kippola had MS or didn't, I don't know. My sister didn't know FOR SURE for decades. Very early one doctor said "may be MS"...the others did not know...she was in her early 20's...they knew a lot less back then perhaps. She went on to work in her profession for many years, lots of stress, bad sleep patterns, and rich foods. She was on the GO for many years. And then it all hit her. 2. I gave her suggestions over the years like LDN, eliminating sugars/carbs and what I could do without being pushy and invasive on how she was dong her treatments. And talked about Grape Seed Extract and Pycnogenol and the IMMUNE SYSTEM. She had pneumonia quite a bit over the last couple decades... She never got on these antioxidants. 3. Combining so much of the information out there is key, I believe. It's certainly what I would do if I was challenged with MS, it's what I do with my health challenges which is MOSTLY arthritis. 4. I did a search on Integrative Approach to MS and found a lot of info. Maybe some of the newbies would want to do that. 5. I mentioned the doctors kept my sister hanging with the hope of Stem Cells and that was going on 10 yrs ago when she started talking about this. Hasn't happened, will it ever? I know the family asked that donations be given to the stem cell research of one of the doctors she saw in NYC. Anyway, I can't let go YET on Fighting for My Sister and just putting stuff out there from my mind. There is so much info today on EVERYTHING....this study, that study, this research etc etc etc. Peace Out ALL....C |
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