I was so confused about how to quote on the forum now. I tried the "multi-quote" icon, and the system did nothing. Then when I hit "reply", it brought up the quote . . . I hate change.

I don't know the scenario, how Damien led it astray, whether he was really negative (or this is the perception of linear thinking), if you are just looking to vent, or if you are really curious about an answer to your "fascination"? I'll just have to assume you are just brainstorming, and I'll just throw some concepts out there to see if it might help explain things.

While some people like to look at everything in simplistic terms (because it keeps their thinking clean and simple), others are more analytical/big picture thinkers. While one might find the analytical thinkers frustrating, an analytical person also finds the other approach maddening.

I have managed many projects, and as frustrating as the more analytical people can be, I've learned to LISTEN between the lines. Sometimes it means ignoring 1/2 of what they say, but inevitably they have a very vital point that must be considered if the project is going to be successful.

I am more the analytical type. I remember sitting in a meeting with 16 other people, for 3 days, while we tried to find a fix to a problem. We spun our wheels at nauseum, because no one (including myself) was able to pinpoint the true obstacle.

I went back to my hotel room and sat up most of the night analyzing all the angles. At 3:00 am, the light bulb went on, and I returned with the answer in the morning. The other 16 people could not even wrap their heads around what I discovered the "problem" to be, let alone the fix, and basically blew me off.

I let them continue debating for a couple of hours, then stood up and asked "what are the reasons that my proposal going to work?". They asked me to explain it to them again, and I did. Sixteen lightbulbs went on, and we were THEN able to carry on with the project from there.

Most people think TOO linear, IMHO, and that's why things that NEED changing never get PROPERLY resolved. The "abstract thinking" needs to be considered (even if it is just going to lead to a better understanding), in order to ultimately FIX the problem. Anything else is just a bandaid.

Cherie

While I understand your perceptions, and fundamentally agree, Damian's attempt to "make it better" merely complicated what, on its face was—and was meant to be— a very simplistic thing.

I made my living as a market analyst and learned over and over that peeling away the layers of human error almost always exposed the basic problem.

In this case, the problem was human interference and meddling where it was not wanted or needed.

The core dynamic that was ultimately unveiled here was that of one individual imposing his low self-esteem on others by presuming that if he has no allies, then certainly, no one else could have them. I suppose we'd have to look at it as projection of one's own weakness upon others.

Either way, I confess that my vent was wrought by frustration pertaining to the human condition. It will never change until humanity is dissolved, so I have resolved to let it be what it is and avoid Damian like the plague.

From one analytical mind to another, it's the Latin, "ad nauseum".

I couldn't resist.....<SMACK>

LOL! And here I thought I was being polite!

Yeah, well remember I started the post out with not being able to figure out how to "quote" either? . . .

Cherie

Damien is not nice!


I'm skeeeeeered!

BOO!!

I'm sorry Cherie...I was only funnin wicha..

I'm sorry, Cherie but I can't get past this! Are you exaggerating here? Even if we whittle it down to 6 productive hours per person, per day, that's still 96 hours with no results! My team would have been fired by the end of the first day!