Thank you for this Cherie. One of my favorite things about you is that even though you don't use a DMD at this point you don't discredit them and are willing to share new information that you come across. Thank you.
Jules

P.S. with regard to this study, and I will get a copy of the full text before I make my final decision, for the most part my personal opinion is that I am very skeptical of all the MS studies that don't last for more than a couple of years.

This disease can move pretty slowly but that doesn't doesn't mean that at some point it won't change its course. My optimism is always haunted by the folks that did wonderfully for 20 years and then really declined quickly. No rhyme or reason.

Has Rebif been having the same problem with dull needles that the Copaxone has been having lately?

I hurt my right shoulder the other day, and couldnt use my right arm to do the shot on my right side, so I had my dad give me my shot of C last night...got a really dull needle. OMG! It felt like he was stabbing me with a dull steak knife! Almost as painful as using the autoject and a dull needle. Owwwwie!

The dull needles are what are making me consider switching over to something new.

Cherie, your post prompted my post about looking at the clinical trial site again.

I'm of the school of thought . . . "whatever works".

It is hard to filter to the various pieces of information we have access to, and to then to validate them in any useful way. The way I understood this particular article though was that it was just an analysis of existing information/studies, validated by a specific protocol. The information they relied upon was only:

- phase III pivotal trials
- patients with RRMS
- existing randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind studies

The clinical efficacy endpoints compared were:

- proportion of relapse-free patients at 1 and 2 years
- annualized relapse rate at 2 years
- proportion of progression-free patients at 2 years
- proportion of patients free of gadolinium-enhancing lesions at 1 year or 9 months.

I'm not sure why they picked gad-enhancing lesions at 1 yr and 9 mo, but perhaps that information wasn't comparable or available for the entire two years in all the trials (or ?). It would be good to read the copy of the full text, if you happen across it. (Personally, I don't give much merit to the evaluation of gad-enhancing lesions anyway )

I remember reading about the analysis tool; "evidence-based medicine principles", but I didn't happen to retain this information. Hopefully it's a good tool for making a comparison, but I don't know that either.

I think it is really quite common that many of us turn a corner at 20 yrs actually. They say that 50% of those with RRMS will be SPMS at the 10 yr mark, and 90% of us at the 20 yr mark. Mind you, this is old statistics (pre-DMT's), so perhaps things will shift in the coming years.


Ms Trial Lady . . . always looking for her next fix. Thanks for keeping on top of that information. I'm always looking for something that might be more agreeable too, then what we currently have available. I'm glad so many of us can take the drugs we have though, in the meantime.

Cherie

I was dx'd in 2001 so I am wondering if that stat will hold true. I always seem to be in the 1% group...a shift in this stat would be seem reasonable given the new medication as well as more reliable diagnostic tools. Just a thought.




always looking, yes. I guess it's that philosophy I live by, if you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room!

Yes, new diagnostic tools means many of us are probably dx a lot quicker then we used to be. Good point ... and that alone could shift the length of time till SPMS.

As far as the DMT's (and/or other alternative treatments, like LDN maybe), I would think they might affect the amount of time before SPMS, at least FOR THOSE THEY WORK FOR. The trick is to find one that works for us as individuals though.

I know I was 'borderline' SPMS after 14yrs, but then I started on LDN and they left me categorized at RRMS. I suspect I may either be headed into SPMS now, or maybe I just left that infection too long last year and caused some "permanent" damage (that makes it appear/feel as though I have advanced with the disease). I'm still having relapses, but most people with SPMS do in the beginning of that phase. My EDSS has not changed though, so at least that's good news.

I'm 17+ - 29 yrs (if I include the undx time, with symptoms) into this journey.

Time will tell.

Cherie

YES!!! whatever works!! I've been on betaseron since 11/2000 and have not had a relapse, so it works for me, and my disability reading went from initial 3.5 to zero a couple of years ago, so that's very nice! I tried to convince my neuro that I could go off it for a while, but he didn't buy it!

appreciate Ms Trial Lady posting this, and it sure would be nice to have a pill to take... get off the needle. dang I don't like shots!

I have been on C for a couple of years now. Whether it is the C or just my disease course, my relapse rate has decreased from its 6 +/- week rate to only 2 in the past year and 1 questionable one.

I started C at the recommendation from my brother who spent 20+ years in the neurological research field. At the time, I don't remember his reasoning, he talked to me about all the findings, research, side effects, etc of all the DMDs. That is partially how I ended up on C. My neuro was his boss and they wanted me in a clinical trial. To be in the trial, I had to be on C. So I went for it.

Cherie - Thanks for all the information you shared.

I really wonder if and hope there will be a shift as the DMDs get older but won't be holding my breath. Always the optimist, ya know.

If someone were to use my case in the first 2 years on meds, Copaxone would be considered the nectar of the Gods. I'm more than happy to give it all the credit but I'd rather wait until the fat lady sings, 20 years from now, before feeling too victorious.

I did have a dear friend say to me recently "yeah well in 20 years a lot of us could be in the crapper so don't think you are all that special". Dang, how is that for loving supportive friends?

Thanks for the info Cherie!

I know from personal experience that both Rebif and Tysabri work quite well. I had improvements on each of them. But I feel a heck of a lot better on Tysabri!

If it hadn't been for the terrible depression I had with the Rebif, I'd likely still be on it!