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Old 09-14-2008, 05:19 PM #1
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Smile I finally found something that works for my fatigue!

i don't know if anyone remembers but i was dealing with some crazy fatigue a while ago.. i couldn't deal with any of the Rx meds, and the one supplement my neuro told me to try did nothing (cant remember the name)..

now i am not saying this will work for everyone... but i wanted to share just in case anyone wants to try it..

my formula to fight the fatigue.
(actually its nothing special but it works for me)

2 cups of normal coffee during the day. usually a cup in the morning and one around 3pm when i would usually crash..

4 vitamin b-complex tabs 2 in the morning 2 about 3pm.. bottle says just take 2 a day but you would be hard pressed to OD on "B" Vitamins.. although at that dose you will pee the brightest green ever...

400mg of magnesium oxide once in the morning..


i have no medical facts to back up why this works for me but it does.. and has been for the last 3 months.. heck even if it is a placebo effect.. fine.. i am still not needing a 2hr nap during the day..
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i have no medical facts to back up why this works for me but it does.. and has been for the last 3 months.. heck even if it is a placebo effect.. fine.. i am still not needing a 2hr nap during the day..
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That's great, Punk! Whatever works!! Sometimes I think (no, I know) we know our bodies better than any doctor and know what works best for us. Just because something is FDA approved means nothing if it doesn't work for you!!

I hope you continue to get relief with this combination.
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Glad you found something that works! I may have to up my B-vitamins now..
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I've been on Provigil 200mg in AM & Amantadine 100mg in AM and again between 1-2 PM. Their not helping much. I going to have to try this.

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Lightbulb What type...

of Bcomplex are you using? I ask because too much B6 can be harmful and give neuro symptoms.

B12 has long be linked with MS. (some people mistakenly diagnosed actually have B12 deficiency)

I would not go over 50mg of B6/day.

B12 is needed by the body to convert serotonin to melatonin (which is our sleep hormone).

Also, magnesium oxide is terribly unreliable. New studies have shown that from a 400mg tablet about 8mg is absorbed. (volunteers had blood levels drawn after taking various forms.)

I have a magnesium thread here that explains elemental doses and which forms work best.
http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/thread1138.html

Magnesium oxide remains on the shelf fooling people however and doctors (who keep it in their therapeutic handbooks which are never updated).
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Oral magnesium supplements combine magnesium with another substance such as a salt. Examples of magnesium supplements include magnesium oxide, magnesium sulfate, and magnesium carbonate. Elemental magnesium refers to the amount of magnesium in each compound. Figure 1 compares the amount of elemental magnesium in different types of magnesium supplements [28]. The amount of elemental magnesium in a compound and its bioavailability influence the effectiveness of the magnesium supplement. Bioavailability refers to the amount of magnesium in food, medications, and supplements that is absorbed in the intestines and ultimately available for biological activity in your cells and tissues. Enteric coating of a magnesium compound can decrease bioavailability [29]. In a study that compared four forms of magnesium preparations, results suggested lower bioavailability of magnesium oxide, with significantly higher and equal absorption and bioavailability of magnesium chloride and magnesium lactate [30]. This supports the belief that both the magnesium content of a dietary supplement and its bioavailability contribute to its ability to replete deficient levels of magnesium.
from: http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/magnesium.asp

Magnesium is valuable for everyone including MS patients because it helps with muscle functioning and reduces cramping and twitching. Estimates are that up to 70% of Americans are low in this mineral!

So be careful with B-complex. Watch your dosing!
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Good for you! Jim was having bad fatigue too and he thinks his meds are playing a part. We've been weening off a few and so far so good. B-12 eh?
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WEll GOOD for you~! We are often told how harmful supplements are etc.. yet the meds we take can and do make us toxic.. or.. lose its efficiency building up a tolerance.

Althought stress and foods I eat contribute to fatigue.. I no longer have that debilitating kind.. ya know.. where you can't even sit up any longer. Know why?

I see a specialized nutritionist who has this amazing eval tool that READS your body's energy electrically and tells you what you are deficient in.. toxic from.. and corrects it EXACTLY in the dose YOU need.. not a "recommended dose"

Yes some supplements/vitamins can be wasted if you take too much but most of us are deficient in MINERALS et al.

ALL I know is that I have not had that awful debilitating fatigue for over 2 years now !! I see this guy regularly and my 2 Neuros saw the results and tell me to see him too.

Good luck in fighting that fatigue.

But anyone trained to use NRT or nutritional response testing using the autonomic system.. like a chiropractor..nutritionist.. do yourself the favor. It works AND it does not interfere with your meds because its a whole food, organically grown and ground into tablets to swallow.

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of Bcomplex are you using? I ask because too much B6 can be harmful and give neuro symptoms.

B12 has long be linked with MS. (some people mistakenly diagnosed actually have B12 deficiency)

I would not go over 50mg of B6/day.

B12 is needed by the body to convert serotonin to melatonin (which is our sleep hormone).

Also, magnesium oxide is terribly unreliable. New studies have shown that from a 400mg tablet about 8mg is absorbed. (volunteers had blood levels drawn after taking various forms.)

I have a magnesium thread here that explains elemental doses and which forms work best.
http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/thread1138.html

Magnesium oxide remains on the shelf fooling people however and doctors (who keep it in their therapeutic handbooks which are never updated).

from: http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/magnesium.asp

Magnesium is valuable for everyone including MS patients because it helps with muscle functioning and reduces cramping and twitching. Estimates are that up to 70% of Americans are low in this mineral!

So be careful with B-complex. Watch your dosing!

the brand i am taking is a store brand which unless you live in PA or NY i doubt many ppl have heard of it (Wegmans) but the #s are

Vegetarian Tabs
serving size is 2 pills

Thiamin 15mg
Riboflavin 20mg
Niacin 25mg
B6 20mg
Folic Acid 400mcg
B12 150mcg
Biotin 300mcg
Pantothenic Acid 50mg
Choline 10mg
Inositol 10mg
PABA 10mg
Phytonutrient blend 1000mg



thats odd about the magnesium i never knew.. mine are a Rx kind but the same rules probably apply i am guessing?
still 8mg is better then 0 mg.
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Thanks for sharing your experience, PunkD, and I'm glad you are doing better.

I agree with Kelly ... whatever works!

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