I am new to the MS board. Usually on Epilepsy, but someone told me to ask this queston here. Started having seizure activity few mo. ago. Feel strange before episode, then told blank eyes, mouth frozen in deep frown, Right hand and arm curl up tight. Unable to speak, but can here what is going on. Try to respond only sounds come out, eventually repeating same word. Right side weakness for a few days. MRI said to be normal except for a "few white spots" that I was told are probably due to my age. I am 46.
At times off balance, always very cold, at times blured vision, get very tired suddenly, get numb, tingle sensation in feet, and legs along with sharp pains or just a heavy tired sensation in.
Has anyone else been told that white areas in brain just your age

Hi Garney, Welcome.

The trouble with lesions is that they could be from a lot of things. I was never told they were because of age though. Maybe the Doc meant that the lesions were from an old injury or something like that.

Does Epelepsy cause lesions? I don't know. Do you suspect MS? If you do, you should discuss this with your Neuro and have him give you some of the other tests that will either confirm it or rule it out.

Nice to meet you, and do let us know what you find out.

I wish you well,

Yes, aging can cause lesions and attached is some info on types of lesions:

http://spinwarp.ucsd.edu/NeuroWeb/Text/br-840.htm

Cherie

From the above site:
"As a result of the high sensitivity of T2-weighted spin-echo pulse sequences, MR images frequently reveal high-signal foci within the subcortical white matter. Estimates of the incidence of these hyperintensities in the brains of healthy, elderly persons have ranged from 30 to 90 per cent. , , Gerard and Weisberg3 found subcortical lesions in only 10 per cent of patients older than 60 years unless cerebrovascular symptoms or risk factors were present; if both were present, the incidence increased to 84 per cent. To a certain extent, the presence of these hyperintensities limits the sensitivity of MR for white matter disease. They are often normal variants or related to deep white matter ischemia, but they can be mistaken for, or can obscure more serious pathology."

I'm the one who suggested Garney check you all out Since Garney had evidence of lesions, I would hate for MS to not even be considered, since MS can destabilize the brain and result in seizures (I've straddled both MS and epilepsy for four years now, so have learned a lot from both groups here). I was also interested in the subject of lesions and age because of my sister's recent discovery that she has 6 lesions (in her late 30s). I don't think that the above article would support that my sister's lesions could be due to age: she aint "elderly" (although some youngsters may argue the opposite ).

Hi Footprints (and Garney) ,

If a person has symptoms of MS, and their MRI shows lesions, this should certainly give reason for a Neuro to check out the possibility.

MS can be quite difficult to dx, and it can take many years. A Neuro will look at the patient's history of symptoms/apparent relapses, do a clinical examination (test for neurological deficit), then generally send them for an MRI, if warranted.

"Lesions" just means "damage to the brain". They are looking for a specific size, shape and location to determine whether they are likely to be of the MS-variety. Lesions can have many causes (some of which were discussed on that website), so it would be up to the radiologist/neurologist to determine if these were likely "MS" lesions.

Even if MS was suspected, many Neurologists take a "wait and see" approach (especially if there are other health factors that would be more likely be the cause of symptoms/lesions). They will often monitor a patient, wait for another episode, or another MRI, then review the prior information.

If I were in Garney's situation, I would first make an attempt to find out why the doctor/neuro thinks that these lesions are from aging. The MRI report findings should give some indication of why this is the best guess at this point in time, i.e. what exactly were the reported findings?

There is also other tests they can do, if warranted; Evoked potentials, spinal tap, etc.

If I had any question beyond that, I would visit another Neuro for a second opinion. If the finding are questionable, then it may come down to a situation of wait and see (or more testing). In the meantime, it is worth keeping a journal of symptoms/changes on a daily basis.

Attached is a list of the more some common symptoms of MS:

http://www.mult-sclerosis.org/mssymptoms.html

Cherie

Hi Garney,

B12 deficiency and gluten sensitivity/celiac disease are two other things that can cause lesions on the brain, and the symptoms can be very similiar to MS as wel (as can Lyme Disease)l. Both B12 deficiency and gluten sensitivity can cause seizures. If you are early in the diagnostic phase, I hope you ask your doctor to test for these things if he hasn't already. If you are interested in learning more about these possibilities you can check out The Gluten File linked below....the pages regarding the Neurological Manifestations (of gluten sensitivity), B12 deficiency and symptoms, Epilepsy, and MS.


Here are a few abstracts I've gathered across time that may be of interest.

Hope this helps!

http://www.dls.ym.edu.tw/neuroscience/progmig.html
Website explaining the research that suggests women with migraines sometimes show lesions (assumed to be caused by the migraines). The location of the lesions sounds very similar to MS lesions, doesn't it? Periventricular?

My sister said that the neuro was not concerned about the lesions now, after all; that they could (!) be caused by her migraines. The End. I will try to get her to send me the MRI report with descriptions of the lesions, but I suspect she's gonna blow it off. She just had the surgery to repair the cervical herniations, which the neuro is now saying was responsible for her loss of feeling and balance, etc. The lesions.....who cares.

But they never did do any lumbar puncture (I had suggested they sample the spinal fluid today since they were gonna be in her neck, literally, anyway, but they didn't).

I know it makes some sense to just wait and see, but dang, if she has MS, I'd rather she get on preventative meds. I never had a positive LP, and I certainly had symptoms, so maybe it's not always 100% proof.

Garney, my sis is kind of like you. She finally started on anti-seizure meds a little while ago. Neurontin, I think. So she has the seizures (like me, and like my mom!), has lesions, has been diagnosed with migraines, has had these neurological probs (supposedly all assigned to the cervical herniation problem). Where do you draw the line? Limboland and watching it, or just not really watching it and saying it's migraines (or age, or whatever)?

If I had had lesions, or a positive LP, my neuro would have kicked me out of Limboland and into MS. My sis has lesions, but she's "got migraines". Hmmmm. Not that I *want* her to have MS; but I don't want her left untreated for something that she may have!!!!

Garney, I hope you get better answers! What do you do if the neuro explains lesions away by saying aging (or migraines) can cause lesions (both true). Pat pat on the head, now go away..... My sister got that two years ago (well, she wasn't even told about the lesions at that time). I've heard neuros are the most egotistical of all medical professions, and I don't doubt it. Hard to grill them, I would think.

Hello, Lady Express, I stumbled acrossed your letter here, Iam new at this, trying to find some help Or answers to my dilemia! If your still on this site, I would really like to talk to you, you seem to know alot, I have went to 4-5 Neuro's and this has been in the last 6 yrs now, and now things are seeming to really kick the heels up & get worse,and I am having more symptom's and now my heart is acking up along with the sezuires and tremor's . I also have been told that the white spot's ( lesion's) could be nothing to worry about. Iam 49 yrs old, I used to think I was very healthly. Hum? I have a long story,it's kinda hard to put it all into a ball, but I will wait to see if your still around first, before I get all started. This all began with taking a 5-HTP over the counter from a healthfood store. I statred having teerible seizure's and in ICU for 4 days and, not being able to talk and when I could I would have seizure's, the Dr's said the only thing he could maybe put the blame on was the 5-HTP. Now Things have gotten a lot worse. I hope to hear from you, Thanks so much!

I am 24 and last Friday I was told that I have white spots scattered though out my brain what could this mean? Everyone has been telling me it probably nothing but for a year now I have gotten dizzy spells headaches. I could be sitting still and my hand just starts to shake as well as sometimes I feel in my leg like there's a worm running down it and it kinda tickles. I am very confused and my fieance has noticed changes in me in the past year as well I have a hard time concentrating on something I forget stuff alot now! Does anyone know what might be going on, and are white spots scattered though out the brain ever normal, or is it always some type of disorder.

Hi Britt.. You dug up an old old thread.

Scattered white spots/lesions throughout your brain, almost always mean some sort of injury has taken place. If the lesions are enhanced/active, then you are probably experiencing some symptoms. MS symptoms can vary from person to person and include some of which you mentioned.

Other diseases can mimic MS such as Lime, B12 deficiency, Neuropathy...etc, so receiving a Diagnosis(DX) is not always immediate. Things, perhaps more serious, have to be ruled out.

Hang in there and stay with us for support and friendship thru your DX journey..