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Spectrum 05-08-2013 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by heb1212 (Post 981853)
Hi, again... You mentioned that you were receiving "platelet rich plasma". Did they run blood tests for all viruses that could possibly have been introduced via the blood therapy? Hep C, B and parvo virus b19? The virus I had shortly before my neuropathy started was parvo virus b19... though it is a very unusual manifestation of the virus. Usually, it's more extreme joint and muscle pain, though I have that, too. Yes, nerve, muscle and joint pain... I'm quite a mess. I mention it because it is a virus that can harbor in the bone marrow and does have something to do with blood platelets (though I'm not sure exactly what). I don't want to send you on a wild goose chase, but it is a thought. For a year my neuropathy was labeled "idiopathic" but I relentlessly brought up the parvo virus b19 and asked for retesting a year and a half later because I just had such a hard time accepting that the virus and the sudden onset of neuropathy couldn't be related. I also had severe gastrointestinal problems and sudden significant weight loss, so for a while a paraneoplastic syndrome was being considered and tested for.
I am taking gabapentin and have recently added 10 mg. nortriptyline... hate taking it all. It makes me feel like a zombie and really only takes the edge off the pain. But, otherwise, I'd be incapacitated and I need to participate in life still! Though, I've gone from a very positive, happy person... not without struggles, but certainly NOTHING like this... to just managing to "get through" the basic responsibilities that I have.
I'll be sure to check this site a little more often to get your updates and to share.

I had a full slate of tests, and no cause was found. The PRP was from my own blood, so I'm not sure about the possibility of a virus from that, but I'll ask my doctor about parvo. I know exactly how you feel regarding your symptoms, the mental challenges and being on the edge of incapacitated (while appearing outwardly to be healthy). It's very difficult to handle, and the fact that a person looks almost completely "normal," while dealing with an invisible system wide breakdown makes it even more challenging on a daily basis. I really couldn't imagine many things that are worse.

SFNgirl 05-08-2013 04:20 PM

Hi, weighing in to my SFN buds. I agree with everything you say. Its just awful. I feel i am constantly talking myself into just stiff upper lip, and i dont want to be a drag to people or chase people away from me. So i hear myself basically lying, trying to say im ok despite full body pain all the time

I did not get the actual report of the biopsy. they actually said 2 different things from the biopsies (at foot and upper thigh), one, that I had reduced nerve fibers in my sweat glands and two, the actual epidermal nerve fibers were still ok. They then sent me to autonomic testing which further confirmed nerve damage to my autonomic nerves (abnormal qsart and tilt table readings). Along the way, I was also diagnosed w trigeminal neuralgia by the ER but my drs are now inclined to think it was related to this SFN. As for the non length dependent piece,my neuro had that description on my last visit summary, and I do have full body, face, scalp, etc symptoms. but I never read the actual report.

I'm planning to go to johns Hopkins next but honestly not expecting any miracles, maybe a new perspective will have an idea of what caused this. I had a strange viral thing twice, 3 and 4 years ago, in 2 diff states w diff doctors, and each ended w no clear diagnosis but a suspicion of viral meningitis. I keep wondering if that was connected somehow but so long ago seems tough. I also had an extensive gum graft 4 months prior to symptoms, but again a long symptom free gap to imagine a festering issue.

SFNgirl 05-08-2013 04:28 PM

Oh, and one more thing. Heb1212, I'm intrigued by the weight loss comment you made. I too have lost a lot of weight. And my doc just did a paraneoplastic panel which has been sent off to a specialty lab. He also ordered CT scans looking for malignancies, which were normal thankfully. He is also looking for rare autoimmune, which has been his theory all along, but steroid infusions did not help. I have had the postural light headedness for as long as I can remember, and he thinks that could have been a red flag, though others say could also be simply that im tall with low blood pressure...I haven't seen others mention weight loss though, and I'm not sure if it is the stress or the meds (that all warn of weight gain) or maybe some combo.

Spectrum 05-08-2013 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SFNgirl (Post 981902)
Oh, and one more thing. Heb1212, I'm intrigued by the weight loss comment you made. I too have lost a lot of weight. And my doc just did a paraneoplastic panel which has been sent off to a specialty lab. He also ordered CT scans looking for malignancies, which were normal thankfully. He is also looking for rare autoimmune, which has been his theory all along, but steroid infusions did not help. I have had the postural light headedness for as long as I can remember, and he thinks that could have been a red flag, though others say could also be simply that im tall with low blood pressure...I haven't seen others mention weight loss though, and I'm not sure if it is the stress or the meds (that all warn of weight gain) or maybe some combo.

I've lost weight too, because I changed my diet as a result of not being able to exercise, or really to do any physical activity aside from walking without inflaming the SFN. But maybe that's something to look at too. My current doc thinks mine is rare autoimmune too, and that it somehow morphed into that and took on a life of its own after a toxic reaction to the platelet rich plasma injections and prolotherapy I was getting for some back problems. But the IV infusions haven't really helped me either.

heb1212 05-10-2013 09:56 AM

Vibrations
 
Hi, SFN Friends... I have another question for y'all. I'm sitting here this morning with a vibrating sensation through my whole body. I have this pretty much all the time, even in my torso area. Do any of you get this? Also, any other odd paresthesias, crawling, tingling, in addition to the burning? Cold temps (air conditioning in the summer) provoke my nerve symptoms something awful. I can't even sit and watch my kids outdoor sports events because it's just too painful.
Thanks for your responses. Believe it or not, I went to bed the other night feeling just a BIT better knowing that I had connected with people who could sympathize in a way even the most compassionate of my friends and family can't... there's just no way to truly convey how difficult this is. After nearly two years of this, I have resigned myself to taking more medication. Spectrum, my doctors, too, felt it would "idiopathically" go away (ha, ha) as it had come on so fast... so, I thought every day thereafter was a day toward healing. The emotional rollercoaster of looking for improvement, never experiencing it... in fact, getting worse... has taken it's toll on me.
Proverbs 3:5-6 is my hope when all else seems hopeless.
"Trust in the Lord God with all your heart. Lean not on your own understanding. In all your ways, acknowledge Him, and He will make your path straight.
Do not be wise in your own eyes. Fear the Lord; shun evil. This WILL bring health to your body and nourishment to your bones.
Blessings...


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Originally Posted by Spectrum (Post 981935)
I've lost weight too, because I changed my diet as a result of not being able to exercise, or really to do any physical activity aside from walking without inflaming the SFN. But maybe that's something to look at too. My current doc thinks mine is rare autoimmune too, and that it somehow morphed into that and took on a life of its own after a toxic reaction to the platelet rich plasma injections and prolotherapy I was getting for some back problems. But the IV infusions haven't really helped me either.


Spectrum 05-10-2013 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by heb1212 (Post 982352)
Hi, SFN Friends... I have another question for y'all. I'm sitting here this morning with a vibrating sensation through my whole body. I have this pretty much all the time, even in my torso area. Do any of you get this? Also, any other odd paresthesias, crawling, tingling, in addition to the burning? Cold temps (air conditioning in the summer) provoke my nerve symptoms something awful. I can't even sit and watch my kids outdoor sports events because it's just too painful.
Thanks for your responses. Believe it or not, I went to bed the other night feeling just a BIT better knowing that I had connected with people who could sympathize in a way even the most compassionate of my friends and family can't... there's just no way to truly convey how difficult this is. After nearly two years of this, I have resigned myself to taking more medication. Spectrum, my doctors, too, felt it would "idiopathically" go away (ha, ha) as it had come on so fast... so, I thought every day thereafter was a day toward healing. The emotional rollercoaster of looking for improvement, never experiencing it... in fact, getting worse... has taken it's toll on me.
Proverbs 3:5-6 is my hope when all else seems hopeless.
"Trust in the Lord God with all your heart. Lean not on your own understanding. In all your ways, acknowledge Him, and He will make your path straight.
Do not be wise in your own eyes. Fear the Lord; shun evil. This WILL bring health to your body and nourishment to your bones.
Blessings...

I have all of those symptoms too. For me, heat is worse than cold. Direct sunlight from sitting outside or even driving aggravates the symptoms. It's absolutely crazy and unreal. So what do your doctors say now about your prognosis?

heb1212 05-10-2013 09:22 PM

Re: Prognosis
 
Hi... Truth be told, I don't ask because I really don't think they know. Maybe I just don't want to hear. My small fiber biopsy results showed me at the very edge of abnormal but with axonal swellings. I've read on this site that others who have had far more significant nerve fiber loss have recovered, but only after significant time. Not too many with it body wide, though, so that puts us in a different category, I think. The unknown is so scarey, right? I guess the idea of having this forever is so unfathonable that I sorta chose to believe it will get better... I have to. Knowing that, in any event, I'm in it for at least the long haul, doesn't have me looking for change tomorrow. Are you taking any medication to at least take the edge off? How do you sleep at night? A stranger, yet I so feel for you.:hug:
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Originally Posted by Spectrum (Post 982412)
I have all of those symptoms too. For me, heat is worse than cold. Direct sunlight from sitting outside or even driving aggravates the symptoms. It's absolutely crazy and unreal. So what do your doctors say now about your prognosis?


SFNgirl 05-10-2013 09:41 PM

Hi SFN-ers, yes, I get the weird vibrating, not all over body at same time. Either feet and legs, hands, and now have had in my scalp and upper lip. It's almost like electrical current. I also get a very weird feeling in my legs, I guess crawling or maybe it's how people describe restless legs. It's something in my legs I cannot reach by rubbing them, like a painful tickle, does that sound odd? I have found recently, I periodically finally just take a Vicodin because it seems to take the edge off a little, or maybe it just takes my mind off it. But I really try to avoid that. Though my pain management doctor says they prescribe it for a reason, and if in tremendous pain, to take it. Problem is I really don't think there are very good alternatives for treating nerve pain.

SFNgirl 05-10-2013 09:45 PM

Oh, and, the cold is a terrible trigger for me. I wear wool socks and slippers everyday, cannot even have my feet and ankles in the cold air, even inside at room temp. Air conditioning vents are horrible. I am actually much better in the heat. Do either of you get toe and finger discoloration? My toes periodically turn bright red, like a fiery stripe across top of foot. Sometimes more of foot too. And finger tips go from white, to deep purple. Lastly, no prognosis from my docs, just say they don't know since they don't know the underlying cause, but have led me to think it won't go away.

Spectrum 05-11-2013 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SFNgirl (Post 982548)
Oh, and, the cold is a terrible trigger for me. I wear wool socks and slippers everyday, cannot even have my feet and ankles in the cold air, even inside at room temp. Air conditioning vents are horrible. I am actually much better in the heat. Do either of you get toe and finger discoloration? My toes periodically turn bright red, like a fiery stripe across top of foot. Sometimes more of foot too. And finger tips go from white, to deep purple. Lastly, no prognosis from my docs, just say they don't know since they don't know the underlying cause, but have led me to think it won't go away.

My forearms get really red, but that's about it. As far as medication, I'm taking 100mg daily of Lyrica right now, and that's it. I didn't think higher doses were helping, and I don't want to take medicine just to take it. I'm not taking anything for sleep either. My symptoms are very bad during the day but even worse at night, so it's hard to get much sleep. From what I've read, agree that opiates don't seem to help much with nerve pain, so I really don't know where that leaves us. But I can't imagine dealing with this forever. And it's very worrisome because my symptoms have worsened over the last month or two, and it's been a year since this suddenly came on and turned everything upside down. I just ordered R-ALA, Benfotiamine and acetyl--l-carnitine supplements. Maybe they will help a bit. I tried R-ALA and Acetyl for about a month at the beginning of this but stopped because I didn't see any impact. Maybe they need to be taken for several months before making a good assessment. One thing I need is a good pain mgt doctor to coordinate with the neurologist. My neurologist is basically trying to do everything herself, and she needs some help. But again, I don't know whether there are actually any viable pain mgt options for this.


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