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01-24-2010, 03:19 PM | #11 | ||
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Hi trixiedee,
just remember that what works for one person may very well not work for another...this is so true, that it makes me question many extrapolations and conclusions that have been made. Also for those of us who are used to the dramatic on/off of Sinemet, it seems like other things don't provide symptomatic relief. But they may be doing so, but with a much more gradual effect. One of my doctors who works with glutathione says that it works great for some people with PD and not at all for others. In terms of ayurveda, I talked about it most in my thread: http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/thread111924-2.html The place I went to in India can be read about at www.zamorins.com, although there are more ayurvedic places than one could shake a stick at in that neighborhood, many of them probably great. As to mucuna, even though it is about dopamine, there seems to be some high level buzz that it may be much less neurotoxic than sinemet. It's worth looking into. Read various threads on this site related to... From my own experience drinking very potent psychoactive brews in South America with indigenous people down there, my symptoms COMPLETELY vanish while I am under the influence of these herbs, and in a way that feels completely different than dopamine, and which from my experience feels a lot more like serotonin activation and some other things. SO I don't buy it that it's just about dopamine. Unfortunately vision quests are not practical for every day, but it has shown me absolutely that dopamine is not the whole answer. So as much as it is a pain to keep looking for your own answers, I encourage you not to get frustrated by other people's results. There are myriad different configurations of physical and mental and emotional approaches and histories. I want somebody to do a real serious investigation of hypnotism, for instance. And do try to exercise - it really does help - see if you can just get a little mini-tramp, and take five minutes here and there to jump to your favorite Shakira song or whatever, get your blood moving, sweat a little, and go from there. |
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01-24-2010, 10:07 PM | #12 | |||
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Maybe consult for a second opinion? Trixiedee, I'm not sure of diagnostic protocol in UK vs. US, but I generally think we are all in need of more sound diagnostic measures. I might question the neurologist on the basis that it sounds he/she may want to do a levodopa challenge to confirm what is suspected to be a PD diagnosis. You haven't mentioned many symptoms, and I'm not entirely convinced that dopamine depletion isn't a hallmark of other disorders- it has come to light that people with Essential Tremor register low in the dopa dept. as well. I think given your age, and the relative uncertainty....
I take a mix of natural supplements and traditional meds. I admire you in wanting to go holistic with this; I have always been of that mindset and have loathed how we are primed to treat everything down to natural body functions (bladder control) with a drug. Yet, here I am on drugs and slave to a pill every day; this has knocked me on my butt. I hate it and worse I hate finding myself thinking and writing trite things like "it could be worse". I think you might find some inspiration in following Max19BC's posts; he has a great attitude and has largely gone the natural route: http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/thread103630.html Abrupt change of topic here; I'm too knackered for a segue tonight. I am very close to your age and single mom to a 10 month old boy...if you ever want to commiserate, feel free to PM me. Laura |
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01-25-2010, 02:15 PM | #13 | ||
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I'm not on meds but didn't reply because I really haven't any info on alternatives. I was diagnosed in 2006 and the neuro didn't want to put me on meds until I couldn't function. So I decided I didn't need to see him until then. I've moved to another state and haven't looked for a new neuro yet.
I don't post a lot here because I don't know much. I mostly read hoping I will find something to help me. Sometimes I read hoping to just understand. There are some pretty smart people here. So I lurk a lot and post when I find a thread that I know something about. That's why I don't post often. Sorry I couldn't help. P.S. Please post how your alternative treatments help you. I'd be interested in the results. As I'm sure others would like to know too. Last edited by marciaj; 01-25-2010 at 03:55 PM. Reason: adding P.S. |
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01-26-2010, 12:19 PM | #14 | ||
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I was diagnosed 1 year ago and so far have chosen the alternative route. I have been taking macuna. Next week I will try the glutathione injections from Dr Perlmutter in Florida. I am looking into going to India and am very curious where you went and what were your results. I know of Dr Raju and Dr Paneri.
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01-26-2010, 02:20 PM | #15 | ||
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Not gonna write a long post because I'm freezing cold and need to go to bed. Just want to thank everyone for their support - this is the most intelligent and aware forum I have ever found. In particular admiration of you Fiona because you says exactly what is in my head but I am nowhere near eloquent enough to express myself so well. PD obviously hasn't affected your cognitive function! Interesting what you say about your symptoms disappearing under the use of psychoactive herbs - I know someone with MS who says the same about LSD. And there was a documentary about 10 years ago about a young man with PD (an ex stunt man) who could barely move until he took ecstasy which allowed him to perform amazing acrobatics. Which led to the discovery that serotonin must also be depleted in PD. I personally have used a lot of LSD and ecstasy in my youth but nowadays don't think I could cope with the sleep deprivation.
Someone asked about my symptoms - here's a list Bradykinesia (slowless of movement) Stiffness/spasticity very stiff neck and shoulders Weakness on the left side (and now on the right) shaking (particularly left hand) headaches due to muscle tension staggering walk falling backwards when standing bending forward when I walk fatigue foggy brain lack of motivation/drive depression (quite appropriate under the circumstances) insomnia (the only meds I take are for this as lack of sleep destroys me physically and emotionally) Main problem is I can barely walk... I said it would be a short post - wrong! |
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01-26-2010, 05:21 PM | #16 | ||
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Hi trixiedee,
glad you found this place. I do take meds so not a lot to offer you on that score, but I thought you might be interested in this book I just ordered: (I haven't seen it yet so I can't personally recommend it) As described on Amazon.com: Natural Therapies for Parkinson's Disease (Paperback) ~ Dr. Laurie Mischley (Author) 5.0 out of 5 stars See all reviews (1 customer review) 1 Review 5 star: (1) 4 star: (0) 3 star: (0) 2 star: (0) 1 star: (0) Product Description Conventional management of Parkinson's disease (PD) is limited. The pharmaceutical and surgical options that are available have significant side effects and only correct symptoms for a limited period of time. Even with the best conventional treatment, the disease progresses and becomes severely disabling. No existing conventional therapies that the progress of the disease; available medicines only treat symptoms temporarily. Conventional medicine views the course of the disease as "progressive" and "irreversible." Many patients, who are only partially satisfied with conventional medicine, seek alternative and complementary options in an attempt to slow, stop, or reverse the disease process. This book has several functions: - It is a science-based reference manual. - It is inspiring and empowering to patients. - It is educational for both patients and neurologists. - It is entertaining. - It fosters an understanding between conventional and complementary providers. About the Author Laurie K. Mischley, ND - Clinical Practice: Seattle Integrative Medicine, Seattle WA - Research: Glutathione in Parkinson’s disease, Bastyr University - Student: University of Washington, MPH Epidemiology - Wife, mother, sister, daughter, and friend to a wonderful family |
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01-26-2010, 08:14 PM | #17 | |||
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Hi... I have decided not to take pharmaceuticals. Started growing fava beans and doing research on them for my parkinsons afflicted friend, then my symptoms became worse and I was able to try them myself. They are really incredible. I studied herbs for several years and make my own echinacea tincture. Because of the need for growing & freezing a large supply of young bean pods, I started thinking about how else the plant might be used. A friend in Canada with PD experimented with them and told me that beans/leaves/flowers /stems all contain l-dopa, so I chose a part of the plant/ dried it & made a tincture. Surprisingly enough...that tincture, used at a few drops at a time, elimiinates my symptoms. Much research needs to be done on this and I plan to grow a large crop, Lord willing & my health remains stabile , this year. If you are interested in trying favas...get a g6pd blood test to make sure that you don't have a deficiency that can make the favas detrimental to your well-being (they can cause a fatal reaction if you have this deficiency). As for me, I plan to stay away from neurologists and self-medicate. I feel that my body will let me know what it needs. I do take turmeric/5htp at night/b complex vites/ a&d vites/brain essentials from Swanson Catalogue/
hawthorne berry for my heart & just started on glutathione & grapeseed extract. |
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01-28-2010, 07:50 PM | #18 | ||
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Hi Trixiedee,
I embarked on a multi-pronged approach soon after diagnosis with PD in 2007. Exercise, supplements, IV gluathione, botanicals (including Mucuna), diet, you name it. Of these, possibly the most effective has been intense physical exercise. My current regimen is quite daunting. I take kickboxing classes twice a week, play tennnis once a week, have a personal trainer )twice a week), have physiotherapy (myofascial release) weekly, and am currently in the middle of a course of Hellerwork treatments. In my spare time I go to the gym! I am not on a calorie restricted diet, eat like a horse (wheat- and dairy-free), and have lost 15 pounds since September 2009. There must be a place for you to start an exercise program. In 2007, I couldn't take 2 steps without starting to fall; now my balance is better than most non-PDers. Consider seeing a personal trainer who can start you off gently and guide your progress. I applaud your decision to resist meds. I was on Mirapex for 1 month after diagnosis. Big mistake. I am now determined to go med-free for as long as I can. The only progressive symptom I observe is that my tremors are somewhat worse than they were a year ago. Otherwise, I continue to work and live well, enjoying each day as a gift. Have you read Gabor Mate's book on MS, "When the Body Says No."? If you are feeling "depleted" you may want to have your adrenal function checked. See "Adrenal Fatigue" by Wilson. Blessings, Dawn Angel Quote:
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