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Old 11-15-2010, 07:03 PM #51
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Matthew -

My information, for what its worth:

I was one of those for whom generic Sinemet did not work - I would try once a year and....NOTHING. Finally, after about 5 or 6 years, for some reason, it seemed to start working. Maybe I was just running out of money. Anyway, I've had this wretched condition diagnosed since 2004 and take 1/2 mg. Mirapex and 1 cd/ld 4 or 5 times a day (my new neuro is urging me to cut back to 4 times a day, and many days I can do that)....Your mother's dose level does seem high to me.

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Just read your last post and, yes, incontinence of any kind can accompany PD - or back problems, for that matter, such as herniated discs or nerve damage....

And, for what it's worth, my first diagnosis was ALS. Labels can be very, very scary and sometimes it takes quite a while to get things sorted out.

Good luck on this very difficult journey.

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Sounds like your mom had a pretty good day. Hopefully tomorrow will be even better. All PWP have good days and great days, overdoing on a great day often leads to a down day the next day. As for reading all those scary diagnosis, stop. If I read about Parkinson's Plus, I have symptoms , before Dx I thought I had ALS. The fact that your mother has little to no tremor means nothing. I have no tremor. Urinary incontinence is a battle for PWP - often subject to urinary tract infections due to inability to empty the bladder completely. UTI often do a big number on PD symptoms- making them much worse until your UTI is treated. Every 6 months I see my PCP and have my urine tested for infection which can go unnoticed. Bowel problems is usually related to constipation - so lots of flluids and fiber.

You are a wonderful son and your mom has done her job well in raising you. Not all children of PWP are so attentive. Keep up the journal documentation. Take Care

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Default Hi Matthew

First, I apologize for not replying earlier. I have been posting in these forums for over a decade (back to BrainTalk previously).

Secondly, I am so jealous that your mother has a son as concerned as you. Don't get me wrong, I have 3 grown kids who care dearly, but would never try to research like you have done for your mother. Thank you for that refreshing act of concern and love..

Third, you have two wonderful people who have answered you - Lindy and Laura. Both have given you great advice.

I was talking with someone just yesterday about how I saw a connection with trauma in one's life (emotional mostly) and PD. And like the ladies said, this does not necessarily mean true Partkinson's disease.

Alll sorts of things could have initiated the parkinsonism: a new medication - an interaction with a med she was already on - anessthesia (it stays in your systgem longer than we think), and, of course, true PD. Time will tell.

Oh, and I left off another cause of parkinsonism - anxiety. It sounds as if your mother has suffered from some panic attacks - I have on several occasions, andn it really throws youro nervous system out of whack.

The advice you have been given is not from professional training (we cannnot replace your physician's advice), but we speak from years of experience. My final word of advice is try not to get excited to the point that you fill your mom with 2-3 new medications. Noooone mix well withh our cocktail of PD chemicals (or lack of) and man-made chemicals. Go slowly in treating her - giving one med a minimum of 2-3 weeks to see what it does before introducing another.

Best to you. Keep being the good son that you are.
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PS I did not realize how many pages this thread had - my comments were based only on the first - but the advice still stands. Sorry - skimming again!
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Hello Ladies,

Thanks so much for kind thoughts and words, especially the encouragement. All of the members of this forum have been great, and for that, I thank you!

I spoke to my mother around 5:00 EST again this evening. When I asked her how she felt today, her response was "pretty good". When I asked her if she felt better today than she did yesterday, she said yes, but her mobility/walking is still lacking. She said she took her 6:30 AM dose around 7:00 AM this morning because she slept a little later. She said her second dose at 10:30 AM seemed to work better than her first dose at 7:00 AM, and that her third dose at 12:30 PM seemed to work better than the second dose at 10:30 AM. She mentioned that she kept busy today by paying bills, writing Thanksgiving cards, etc. She has been bound to one floor in the house for quite some time because she has refused to allow us to put a stairlift system in because she was convinced she was going to get better much quicker than anticipated. After seeing the specialist last Friday, my mother now agrees that she wants the stairlift. My father ordered it on Monday and it is being installed on the 30th of November.

I also thought her voice sounded a bit stronger as I thought it did yesterday as well. She has been easier to understand on the phone the past 2 days, as there is less mumbling and she seems to have more fluid thoughts.

Thanks again ladies!

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Hello All,

I wanted to provide you with an update on our situation. We have finished the doctor's recommended 3 weeks of the new medicine schedules. My general conclusion is that some days my mother sounds stronger and has more personality in her voice, but her walking and mobility has not improved at all. My mother has been having some serious problems with her bowels since she has been on the new 3 week medicine schedule. My mom spoke to her new specialist doctor in between week 2 and week 3 and told the doctor everything I just mentioned. The doctor mentioned that one common side affect of the CD/LD is bowel and stomach problems, but the doctor also admitted what you ladies have been telling me, that my mother's 3 week medicine schedule presents an extremely high dose of CD/LD. The doctor recommended that my mother remain on the Week 3 schedule until her next appointment with the doctor on December 14th. The doctor mentioned to my mom on the phone that due to her lack of response to this high of a dose of CD/LD they are leaning towards the fact that this may not be PD.

That is sort of where we stand at this point.

Thoughts or opinions?

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Hi Mathew,
I just want to second what Laura said about how fortunate your mother is to have your interest in her condition. I hope as a young 26 yr old this all inspires you to take really good care of yourself too.
Good luck with it all.



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Matthew,

You've come to the right place for information; your mother is very fortunate to have you advocating for her and educating your family as she is evaluated and ultimately diagnosed one way or another, so she can start proper treatment.

What Lindy says is entirely true; what makes this diagnosis so frustrating is the lack of specificity. It is entirely possible to see seven different neurologists and end up with just as many opinions on PD or Parkinsonsism.

Quite honestly, I think in a very literal sense, it is possible to say that we all here have Parkinsonism. From my understanding, we are never definitively diagnosed with Idiopathic Parkinson's Disease until/unless we have an autopsy. Historically, IDP has been confirmed during autopsy with the presence of Lewy Bodies, basically monstrous, malformed protein clumps; essentially the hallmark of the neurodegenerative cascade that takes place. There are people diagnosed with PD who upon autopsy show no Lewy Bodies and technically do not have the disease, although they may sure looked like it when alive and indeed responded to levodopa therapy!

As Lindy says, largely it is a spectrum disorder, and many progressive neurologists are starting to see it as such. We may all experience different insults to the brain (think Muhammed Ali vs. Michael J. Fox), but end up manifesting the damage with the same cluster of symptoms. In people who end up with young onset disease, it is generally considered to be more genetic with an environmental trigger. In later onset, it is considered more environmental than genetic. For a recent study that shows alarming numbers implicating air pollution and pesticides as environmental triggers, see the following study conducted by the University of Washington (St. Louis).

Pardon the digression, but we clamor for any epidemiological study we can find as they are scarce to non-existent. I just wanted to say that yes this fuzzy science in diagnosis and treatment is very frustrating. Hang in there, persist, ask lots of questions. It is good that you trust the doctor; I'm right there with you on general suspicion in their regard, and it's important that you feel you are working with an expert who has your mother's best interest at heart. Do know that if it is PD, she should regain some sense of normalcy and enjoyment in things she once enjoyed.

Has she already started the levodopa trial? Have you or she noticed any improvements?

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Heart dear matthew -my son is 25 as well

I have had this neurodegenerative illness since my boy was in kindergarten,
I am soooooooo sorry your mom is in pain,
I never know what started this parkinsonism, but gdnf by amgen was a great
hope, but unkindly they removed the meds from the people w/ pd in clinical trials
does your mom go to a movement disorder specialist, who knows what to do for your mom's pain w/ back pain... my sciatic pain - hot knife horrid pain, is probably not near as much as your mom has to deal with, I was just given
gabapentin - for nerve pain/ also used as an old epilepsy anticonvulsant drug...
you both are in my prayers...dear one...


for more information - go read at the national parkinsons foundation online...
or try to spread the news info wanted-
helen mirren -had a great article
its time we all understood what PD is - blessings to you and your mom


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Hello,

This is my first post. I am posting because I am a 26 year old son of a 59 year old mother who has been exhibiting symptoms of PD or PS. I will try to provide as concise of a summary as I possibly can. I am making this post in hopes of receiving replies from individuals that have been through similar issues. I understand that there is a world of knowledge on this forum and I am anxious to read the various threads.

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My mother had a spinal fusion surgery in April of 2009. Her first day in recovery I noticed an uncontrollable shaking in her left hand. Her speech was soft and greatly attenuated, and she complained of extreme hearing loss in her left ear. The doctors evaluated the hearing loss and had no explanation as to why the hearing loss had occurred. To date, she has regained approximately 60% of the hearing loss she realized.

We brought her home from the hospital about 1 week after the surgery. She was attending physical therapy, and living on the first floor of our home in a medical bed for awhile. By May, she was living on the second floor of the home, was able to walk around with a walker, was able to take showers, and was showing progress. The shaking in the hand had settled, but still surfaced, on occasion. Her voice became fairly stronger, but started to become monotone.

In July, she started complaining of extreme pain in her lower body and down her left leg. After months of tests and evaluations, it was determined that she needed a second spinal fusion surgery. At this point in time, she was was able to climb steps, one at a time (going up) and came down the steps on her butt, one step at a time. She was still showering by herself, and walking around with a walker.

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She had the second spinal fusion surgery in October of 2009. She was then placed in an outpatient rehab center for a week, which was a terrible experience. I noticed that while she was in the rehab center, her legs and feet were extremely swollen, and just looked much phyiscally larger than they ever had before.

We brought her home from the hospital 1 week later. She immediately attempted to climb the stairs, and froze 1/2 way up. My father and brother carried her back down. She requested to go to the hospital because her lower body was frozen. We took her to the hospital. They put her on a dieutretic, and confirmed she had no blood clots. As a side note, after her first surgery, she was put on a blood thinner. The blood thinner caused an issue with her incision opening up. To shed caution on the issue, after the second surgery, they opted not to put her on the blood thinner in hopes of not having issues with the wound. At that point in time, we chalked up up the swelling of the legs and feet to fluid retention. We brought her home from the hospital the following morning.

Since October, her mobility has decreased. She still walks with a walker. She takes about 6 shuffled paces, stops, then takes 6 more. She still lives on the first floor of the home. She has developed more of a monotone voice, and she has a blank stare on her face. She walks with a gait. She does not have as much of the hand shaking as she did after the first surgery. Her hand writing is small and cramped.

A doctor in passing requested that she have an MRI of the brain and neck. We went to a neorologist for the first time yesterday morning. The doctor spent 2 hours with us. She performed physical tests, a hand writing test, asked a lot of questions, and did a lot of listening and wrote a lot of things down. We left with 2 prescriptions. The first prescription was called in to our local pharmacy. The second Rx was provided to us in writing, to be mailed in to our mail-in Rx filler for a 90 day supply, after the initial 30 day supply is done. The doctor did talk about PD or PS, but said it is too soon to form a conclusion, and that she wants to take baby steps in determining the exact problem, but obviously did state that her symptoms are that of PD or PS.

The mail-in Rx reads:

Sinemet cr 25 mg 100 mg tablet cr

The regular prescription that was filled ended up being the carbidopa levodopa 25 mg 100 mg tablet.

I noticed the difference in that the currently filled Rx is NOT Controlled Release, but the future, 90 day Rx is indeed Controlled Release.

I am sure I left out some details, but that is where we currently stand. I spoke to my mother this afternoon and she said that she has taken the current medication, as prescribed, and only really felt some drowsiness.

My argument all along, perhaps due to denial, is the fact that these symptoms I describe were never present, with minor exceptions, prior to her spinal fusion surgeries. I explained this to the doctor, and the explanation was that perhaps being a 59 year old experiencing severe back surgery, the surgeries simply masked and provided an excuse for the PD or PS-like symptoms. Perhaps the surgeries were literally "jump starters" of the actual PD or PS.

I am looking for anyone who may have some input in terms of their experiences with similar symptoms, PD versus PS, their experience with the above-referenced medications, etc.

What can I do as a son to better educate myself on a future diagnosis of PD or PS, and help to provide as much of a life as possible for my mother?

Our hopes are, regardless of the diagnosis, to find the correct dosage of medication which will allow her to gain back her independence, increase her mobility, and get her doing the things she loved doing before all of this.


Thank you for your time.

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Matt,

First, I want to say what has probably become obvious...you've touched a lot of us moms out here; especially those who have sons. Your dedication and desire to stay informed is really incredible and of course, that reflects back on your mom. I know all families love one another but rarely do I see it expressed this way. Kudos!

Anyway, all mushiness aside, it sounds like your MDS is on the right track. If she doesn't have PD, that dosage would not hurt her, so it is a relatively safe way to put a check mark in the "unlikely" PD column. Here is what I would do: look through your journal entries and prepare a table based on the different dosage levels of Sinemet; and create column headings for symptoms and check off each that responded to various levels of levodopa. Note: any things that seemed to worsen upon taking a dose. Take back to your doctor and ask if it could be something related to her surgery? She had spinal surgery, correct? Since her symptoms emerged after that I would start to question possible neurological consequences. We all have noted that PD can emerge after major surgery. However, most people with full blown PD show dramatic responses to levodopa.

Still all this tells you only what she DOESN'T likely have; it's a diagnosis or undiagnosis by exclusion. It happens with at least 30% of us, and that is a pretty high number. Now maybe is the time to push for a PET scan? These roughly measure dopamine levels in the brain but generally used in research; one is used routinely in Europe, while here we are expected to pay out of pocket. If you can argue that it will cost just as much to send your mom to four more doctors who still won't be able to tell her what is going on, then they may cover it or at least par of it. You'll be able to confidently eliminate PD, and move onto getting your mom a more accurate diagnosis and a treatment that works for your mom.

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Matt,

I was re-reading your initial posts. Mainly interested in your mom's presenting symptoms. It struck me that it sounded like an atypical Parkinson's which have different pathologies and sometimes different treatments; this also know as lower limb parkinson's as it it effects mostly gait. There is no tremor, but masked facies and cognitive changes are noted. It is also known that the condition can be refractory to traditional PD meds. Here is a fact sheet:

http://www.parkinsons.org.uk/advice/...kinsonism.aspx

Did your mom have an MRI?

On second thought, I would insist on that PET or SPECT scan.
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