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01-31-2013, 03:06 PM | #11 | ||
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Thanks for the heads up Soccertese! I was curious about the normal dopamine depletion in the average person and ran across one of your post, from a while ago, that said 1% per year is normal. I haven't been able to find any other detailed information. Do you remember a source or link for that info?
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01-31-2013, 03:50 PM | #12 | ||
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this article doesn't give an exact number but does a good job describing the loss of neuron function and PD http://www.parkinsonswny.com/Parkinson-Handbook.pdf |
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"Thanks for this!" says: | Lemonlime (01-31-2013) |
02-01-2013, 10:07 AM | #13 | |||
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I prefer answers to be less scientific to understand what they mean. I would recommend the following article from a magazine written for "Nutrition Wonderland." It describes in a easily understood way how to apply Dialectal Therapy to change to a mindful way to eat.
http://nutritionwonderland.com/2009/...amine-rewards/ This article was written in 2009. Not much research has been done on nutrition and dopamine. It will improve your food choices. Dianna |
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02-01-2013, 01:59 PM | #14 | |||
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Lemonlime...your research is closer to the list of foods I have found. Many on the original post did not correspond with my findings and the way I have chosen to eat.
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02-02-2013, 12:15 PM | #15 | |||
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Did you ever do research on the dopamine raising ability of foods?
Some of the reactions you had to foods may just be a very sensitive reaction to what your body considers not good for you individually, Steve Lord. We all probably have food sensitivities and allergies (I sure do). This does not mean a certain food has anything to do for or against dopamine levels. |
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"Thanks for this!" says: | Thelma (09-02-2013) |
03-05-2013, 08:00 AM | #16 | ||
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Do you have any experience with brewers yeast, and or nutritional yeast?
Any idea how they might effect dopamine? Brewers yeast is abundant in vitamins and minerals sometimes lacking in vegetarian diets. Thanks for any insight. I've always wondered if these products can cause more dopamine harm than good. Quote:
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08-25-2013, 11:08 PM | #17 | ||
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Hi The following diet followed religiously, every detail, causes an astounding effect on increasing my dopamine thoughout the day and night, such that I feel a light, almost high or actual high feeling of dopamine pleasure, well being, throughout the day and night from all the dopamine and this diet may be the answer for someone with Parkinsons. You can prove everything I am saying below with your own experimentation.
I dont have Parkinson's, But I like to experiment. I knew that dopamine is releaed when we do something that in our history we did something that aided our survival. So I ate each food , one at a time.to see which caused a dopamine release. I noticed that for each oee some I guess tiny amont of it get into the blood stream in about two minutes, and five minutes for any oil. How it gets in there so fast is a mystery but I am certain I am correct by observing multiple responses One response is whether the food increases my dopamine, a tell tale feeling of pleasure that we get when we release dopamine, that has evolved as the system the body uses to encourage repeating that thing that helps us to survive, in the erea of food that would be food that is healthy for us. ANother is no change in my dopamine. A third is to suppress dopamine, cause me less of a pleasureable feeling. Using that method I found that the only foods that incrased dopamine were fruits and vegatables, well most of them at least and the rest were at least close to neutral, Grains had close to a no change effect. And all animal products had a suppressive effect especially meat. BIrds including chickens came the closest to no change, except for chicken eggs which suppressed dopamine. Quail eggs were ok. That finding fits pretty close to what we have always been told about food and health. Our diet in the jungle during evolution was basically fruits and vegetables and that is what our genes prefer now. So I eat beans and lentils to get enough protein and I eat grains to get enough calories and the rest fruits and vegetables. Not a single bite from an animal. The other foods that suppress dopamine and that I avoid like the plague, even a tiny bit of them because even a litttle will suppress my dopamind , and I check each lable to make sure and dont eat out so I wont know whats in the food, are anything with any soy in it, if the label says the word soy , I dont eat it, salflower oil, canola oil, sunflower oil, sessame oil , chia oil or more than a small amount oilive oil or nuts becauset too much omega 9 suppresses m dopamine too. There are some other foods that suppress dopamine , presumably due to a foreign to us fatty acid, tumeric, thyme, curry sweet potatoes , and all spice and nutmeg , I avoid the latter two like the plague My cholesterol gets too low if I dont get enough saturated fat, which a vegan diet and avoiding those oils can do and it is also if I dont eat any nuts or olives or their oils become deficient in omega 9 fatty acids so the too little sat fat causes my cholesterol to be unmeasurable low,like below 80 which is dangerous and a deficiency of omega 9 can also cause problems so since I eat no nuts or olive oil, for the omega nine, or enough saturated fat in that diet, I need to supple or a tablespoon and a half of a day of red palm oil from Whole FOod Market etc or Amazon on line, a and its becoming more know how healthy it is and I need to supplement a table spoon a day of grapeseed oil , to get enough omega 6 which is deficient in this high dopamine diet and essential to have in our diet and some grepeseed oils obviusly depending on the grapes suppress my dopaminen, but Salute brand never does, you can experiment with different brands to see, I can tell because if its one that does, and you are on this otherwise perfect diet you will after five minutes of ingesting it feel an uneasy somewhat nerve jangling feeling which also includes dopamine suppression rather than the otherwise smooth light marelous feeling this diet provides. You can cook with that grapeseed oil too, rather than loading up on olive oil which again suppresses dopamine if too much of it is eaten, even a table spoon of it if I am eating that red palmoil will decrease my dopamine a little.and the more I eat of it the more suppression of dopamine I geet, same with nuts and all the large seeds one can buy by themselves do too in any amount like suflower or sesame seeds and peanuts also suppres dopamine in any amount even though they are a legume, perhaps due to the arachadonici acid content, and in addition it increases my dopamine to take a tablespoon of flax seed oil , SPectrum or Jarrows are good in bottles of liquid for that, fish oil capsules suppress my dopamine, keep flaxsee oil refredgerated. The four black fruits, 100 percent CONCORD grape juice found in all organic brands I have seen,and no non organic brands like Welsch's which contain other than concord grapes, like green I think, the labels will say grape juice not 100 percent concord grape juice, get the latter, trader Joes having the cheapest organic brand, , ,and also blackberries, blueberries and black (not the red which are ok but not as good for raising dopmane if eaten daily as black ones do), raise dopamine each time I eat them, to the maximum, so I eat them at the end of each meal, the last bite of the day creating more dopamine than if that same bite is not eaten as the last bite. Try it yourself. Eat one of the four dark fruits I listed above on an empty stomach,after not eating for 8 hours over night, wait for the dopamine rush, and then take any amount of food with soy of safflower oil etc, in it, a teaspoon of soy oil or soy oil being one of the ingredients, or soy milk, etc. After about five minutes of taking one of the dopamine suppresors, , for me, whack, that marvelously pleasureable feeling I was getting from the 4 dark fruitsc disppears same for all the foods I mentioned that suppress dopamine, dairy and birds being the lesst offensive although still some suppression especially cream, cheese or butter, and milk deranges my immune system and causes autoimmune symptoms in me, and several studies conclude that those who drink the most milk are more likely to have Multiple Sclerosis. So thats the high dopamine diet. Steve Lord, Santa Barbara, Ca |
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08-26-2013, 01:42 AM | #18 | ||
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Hi I had forgotten I had posted this thread in 2011. I was going to post something similar today but it was removed and now I see why, this thread already existed. I bet some people a quarter today that I cold post this high dopamine diet and not a single person would try it. Looks like I win my bet because a truly amazing 18.000 views later and not a single person has said they tried it.
So let me make it official so I can collect my quarter. DID ANYONE TRY THIS DIET? IF so how did it turn out, could you feel the dopamine sense of well being in a couple of minutes or could you not. For a quickie test, eat some blackberries on a totally empty stomach after not eating for 8 hours so no current competititon from a suppressor of dopamine although there will still be dopamine suppressing fats in your brain from the night before and days before so you wont be getting the maximum possible effect in this super short test, but you will almost for sure be able to feel the rush or sense of well being if you pay attention for the five plus period after eating the blackberries, beginning in me two minutes after the first bite. . Then after you do, eat a couple of bites of say, anything with soy oil in it and kiss your dopanine pleasure from the blackberries good bye in five minutes or so. BTW one respondent said my loss of dopamine from eating certain foods must be individual. Really? AFTER I started telling people about how soy suppresses my dopamine I read a huge medical journal study out of Hawaii in which they showed that the people who ate the most tofu (soy) had brain matter missing on MRI, brain loss , lower IQ and more alzerimers. In the blackberry soy test I just described t its perfectly obvious what I am alleging about raising and suppressing dopamine. I believe anyone who is paying attention will be able to notice it. \ Villiers, you expressed interest it this diet, you were the onl one who did, but , why didnt you try it? Or did you? ALso to the person who asked about Brewers Yeast, it suppresses dopamine after eating it. Regarding the allegation one person postod on this thread that meat raised dopamine, yeah if you had no other protein in your diet and so had no raw materials to work with, it would be better to eat some kind of protein , even meat, but this isnt Bangladesh and none of us is deficient in protein, and I promise you one thing, if you eat meat in between two to five minutes you will start to feel like you loaded some lead into your brain and afterwards will feel like taking a nap. Dopamine suppressed. + THe best 4 frutits , 100 percent cconcord grape juice, blackberries, blue berries and black grapes make a person feel like shouting , the energy and sense of well bing if so energyizinig. In fact I commonlly do shout after eating them. BUt that is a temorary fix, the diet I posted about is constructed to keep our dopamine level higher throughout the day than any person has ever experienced, I would bet. OF course a person witih PD isnt going to feel it perhaps to te degree of a non PD , but you are going to tell a huge difference and maybe, just maybe it the full diet dont exactly as described at al times, will take some of you out of the Parkinsons zone into the normal zone. I hope. BUt I am very very pessimistic that anyone well eer try it after 18000 already passed on it. STeve Lord. |
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08-26-2013, 08:29 AM | #19 | ||
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were're all taking very strong medicines, the equivalent of 100's of mgs of dopamine, you think we'd be taking these medicines if diet made a difference? do you know anything about the underlying biochemistry of parkinson's?
it's likely 1 egg has enough tyrosine, a precursor to dopamine, to supply our needs for a week. people who are fasting for weeks don't start "freezing" because of a lack of dopamine, they can still move. obviously even in starvation we can mfg all the dopamine we need in a normal brain. i miss 1 dose of my dopamine medicine and i have a very hard time moving smoothly. that kind of tells me diet isn't my problem. we are lacking the enzyme necessary to produce dopamine from precursors in food and the cells in our brain that store and protect dopamine from being broken down in the brain, we are getting plenty of precursors. and dopamine doesn't penetrate the BBB. THANKS BUT NO THANKS Last edited by soccertese; 08-26-2013 at 08:46 AM. |
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08-26-2013, 11:31 AM | #20 | ||
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