Rick, the highest prevalence of Parkinson's Disease in Europe is in the unindustrialised and largely pollution free Faeroe Islands and San Marino.

Prevalence of Parkinson's Disease :They have prevalence rates that are about ten times those of the heavily industrialised and heaviliy polluted South Korea, where Parkinson's Disease is hardly known.

If your theory was correct the exact opposite would be true.

1- As to the portrayal of James Parkinson as a simple isolated soul with a small pool of patients:
http://pds.live.poptech.coop/Templat...p?NodeID=98698

2- As to the portrayal of Shoreditch as a suburb of Oz:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoreditch

3- As to the refusal to talk about particulates as a whole and the attempt to limit the discussion to coal alone, those are the tactics of one who has no argument to offer/

With that, I leave this particular stage to the noble *******.

Rick, you claimed that James Parkinson could only find a handful of people with PD in a big city such as London, but his observations were only made in little visited Shoreditch. I never suggested he was a simple isolated sole. I pointed out that his PD observations were made in a small area. Judging from the amount of people with PD he saw in such a small location, there must have been a lot of people in London with Parkinson's Disease.

The Shoreditch link correctly states that Shoreditch is in the London Borough of Hackney. On the map it might look like the hub of Central London to you, but to us Londoners that have actually been there it certainly isn't. Nobody goes to Hackney unless they have to. I asked other Londoners if they have ever been to Shoreditch. "No" or "Where's Shoreditch ?" were the responses.

Up until the 1960's there were thick smogs in London that were so bad that you couldn't see five yards in front of you. It wasn't just coal fire use that declined in the 1970's. Air pollution as a whole was massively reduced due to the widespread illness it was causing. Since joining the bureaucratic EU, air pollution levels have since then reduced even further. Yet, Parkinson's Disease prevalence has just kept on rising.

This plainly contradicts the theory that Parkinson's Disease is primarily due to air pollution, as do the prevalence studies in other countries, which simply do not coincide with the theory.

Everett123 and Daffyduck,

Please take your argument and put it into private messaging. I really am hoping that someone on this forum can give me help with how to treat frozen shoulder.

IT IS MAKING ME VERY, VERY, CRABBY!!!!!!!!!

My intent is not to create censoring of a lively discussion, only to put the focus back on helping others. Lord knows I have done a fair amount of arguing that has bored members of this forum to tears.

Vicky

I had frozen shoulder some years back before I was even dx with PD. After ruling out torn rotator cuff and several other things, they did major physical therapy. Took close to 8 months of this therapy to get it somewhat workable again and probably close to 2 years to get it really back to normal. Matter of fact, about twice a year even now, I get the feeling it is trying to get bad on me again at which point I get out the small rubber bands and pole and the exercize diagrams and start doing them all over again for a week or two and that then usually does it for a while. I was told inactivity makes frozen shoulder worse.

Caya

I went through the same thing with a frozen shoulder a year before my dx. It was a mystery - mri showed nothing - then a year of painful physical therapy to 'fix' it.

FROZEN SHOULD...see new thread

Good idea to move the shoulder posts Carolyn. I need to make one comment and then I'm out of this.

Now it's my turn to say sorry Vicky but I don't agree about taking their argument off the forum. As long as there are no personal attacks or upsetting language, they should have the right to debate till the cows come home.

Wouldn't it be more fair to just not read posts we are not interested in, rather than try to criticize or censor other posters?

respectfully,
paula

I don't know if this is relevant but I worked in a plant that coated aluminum coils that were later produced for building materials, eavestrough, siding, etc. for 11 years.

Mind you I worked in the office, but the smell of the paint being baked onto the aluminum was over-powering some days. My eyes would actually water. I was diagnosed with Parkinson's some 14 years after I left.

I then worked for a school board where I was in constant touch with kids, new Canadians, etc. etc.

I moved the post in the best interest of those who suffer from Frozen Shoulders.

I considered the topic important and didn't want it to get lost within this heavy discussion.

p.s. Don't ask Paula what she does in the morning to unlock hers......what a site to see