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from NYTimes today:

July 27, 2007

Patient in Experimental Gene Therapy Study Dies, F.D.A. Says

By DENISE GRADY and ANDREW POLLACK
A patient has died in a study of an experimental gene therapy, the Food and Drug Administration reported yesterday. The agency said it was investigating the death to determine whether the treatment was to blame.
The case could be another setback for gene therapy, a field with a troubled history and numerous treatment failures, including the death of a teenager in 1999 in an experiment.
The new therapy being tested, made by Targeted Genetics of Seattle, is a virus-based product injected directly in the joints in hope of relieving active inflammatory arthritis. That chronic condition can affect multiple joints and organs, and it is quite different from the wear-and-tear arthritis that commonly occurs with aging.
The patient became ill soon after receiving a second injection, the drug agency said. The date is not exactly clear, but the illness was recognized as a “serious adverse event” last Friday, and the agency immediately suspended the study. That means no more injections can be given. The patient died on Tuesday.
Targeted Genetics and the drug agency said they would not describe the patient’s symptoms or the manner of death until the investigation had been completed. The company and the agency emphasized that it was not known whether the treatment had a role or the death was a coincidence. The agency said the timing was cause for concern.
H. Stewart Parker, chief executive of Targeted Genetics, said, “The patient was dosed one dose and had no issues and came back several months later and coincident with the dosing had an S.A.E.”
S.A.E. is an abbreviation for serious adverse event.
Ms. Parker said the company had used the same type of virus to carry various genes into more than 500 patients and had not seen similar problems. “These patients are all on several different medications,” she said. “They certainly have disease characteristics.”
The drug agency said it was reviewing all other studies using the same virus, which is called an adeno-associated virus, though it had not heard of similar problems.
Dr. Theodore Friedmann, a professor of pediatrics and head of the gene therapy program at the University of California, San Diego, said the A.A.V. system used in the experiment was widely regarded as safe.
But, Dr. Friedmann added, “We’ll probably come to learn it does some harmful things in some settings.”



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Gene therapy using adeno-associated virus linked to liver cancer in mice

By Caroline Arbanas

July 26, 2007 -- Researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis have found further evidence linking a method used to deliver gene therapy in humans with the development of liver tumors in mice.
The new research, published in the July 27 journal Science, suggests that ferrying a corrective gene into mice using a disabled virus - an adeno-associated virus (AAV) - inadvertently inserts mutations into the mouse DNA that initiate tumor growth. The same delivery method is also used in some gene therapy clinical trials in humans, but as of yet no studies have found an association between the AAV vector and cancer in patients.
Still, the Washington University scientists, led by Mark Sands, Ph.D., associate professor of medicine and genetics, say the data in the team's latest study raise important safety concerns about the use of AAV vectors in patients receiving experimental gene therapy. "While the findings do not eliminate AAV as a potential therapeutic tool, more research is needed to determine the possible long-term toxicity of the AAV vector in humans," Sands cautions.
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Default thinking of Carolyn, Dottie, and all other participants

Acknowledging these, with confidence and hope that a connection to your gene therapy is not there.

We are watching with such anticipation, the virus seems to be the concern but it's so early to know.

During the next several months, I anxiously await a positive change in these participants.

But another part of me, is still ****** off that we shouldn't have to be in such a hurry to get gene therapy when a treatment that works safely (and is incorrectly described as not being safe repeatedly -NO SIDE EFFECTS in 3 yrs) could already be on the market as we await this cutting edge treatment.

We're holding our breath again to see what this means, for those using the virus for delivery.

Anything you can tell us or want to unload some feelings here Carolyn or Dottie?


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seems to me that too many judgments are being made in the media before the cause of death has even been determined.

even though it might be a mistake to be withholding gdnf treatment, I do not think it is rushing things to be in stage two clinical trials for AAV gene therapy - we need to be fighting all diseases on all fronts.

medical research is a risky business; if well and properly informed, patients should be allowed to assume the risk involved in ground-breaking clinical trials. There's really no other way to move the science forward.
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I remember a few yrs back the drug Eldepryl (Selegline) was taken off the market for a while due to some deaths. Yet only a short time before that it was touted as possibly neuroprotective, it came back into favour and still is prescribed as far as I know
Then there's Tasmar, it's been known to cause liver failure and death so (it may have changed) but monthly liver function tests were/are mandatory.
These drugs are still given to parkinsonians.
I guess my point is who do we listen to and how much do we as patients want to risk the catastrophic events that can happen when we take a tablet, or undergo experimental procedures?
It's a really personal decision we do or don't take and open to debate.
In a way I'd like the general media to keep out of it but I guess they do there bit as a source of information to the public.
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Dear Members,

About two weeks ago, I helped with my churches' Bible School. One young girl was very artistic, but had been diagnosed with reumatoid arthritis since birth. She was very short and obviously retaining water, as she was very heavy and her face was swollen so her eyes were difficult to see for all the fluid retained in her face. Her name was Arrian and she was to go to Washington to have stem cell surgery from stem cells obtained from her bone marrow.

A week later my husband and I attended a carnival to raise funds for her surgery. Their were games for the kids and projects for auction made at the Bible School. My husband and I bid on a stained glass piece that Arrian had made. Arrian was a very artistic. She was very careful to choose her colors and stayed carefully in the lines.

Arrian was to be the first child to receive this procedure. I will see her Aunt at church on Sunday and ask if Arrian was the patient who had the surgery. I know she had a lot of pain and she frequently complained to me of tremors.
The surgery was her only hope of leading a normal life.

I have asked the Right to Life group associated with my church and received the following responce to give to those who deem that the option of discarding unused embryo's into the trash was a waste when they could be used to help others. Please consider it carefully and give it thought before replying. Any sarcastic responces will be ignored.

Dear Vicky,

First of all, my prayers go out to you as you fight two battles -
Parkinson's and attacks on your faith. I pray that God gives you the
strength to face these challenges and maintain your strong faith through
each of them.

The arguments that you are hearing are very typical, even among
Christians. The basis of that opinion is misleading though. Most
people believe there are only two options for those embryos: destroy
them in a trash can or destroy them in a scientist's lab. The
assumption continues that if they will be destroyed anyway, why not get
something good from their destruction.

The first correction to that thinking is that there are actually five
options for those embryos, not only two options. They are:
1) throw them in the trash
2) donate them to scientists for research
3) keep them frozen indefinitely
4) transfer them to the mother for the chance they will implant and
continue living
5) place them for embryo adoption so infertile couples can have the
chance for children

Of these five, there are certainly issues with each and none of them are
"easy" choices for couples. Yet, of these five choices the first two
are clearly wrong because the intent is to destroy them. The third
choice is really not much better because the destruction of those
embryos is probably just delayed. The last two, however, are options
that protect the lives of the embryos and even gives infertile couples
the opportunity to give birth to a child.

You made an interesting comment that has value in this debate.
Infertility treatments are designed to bring new lives into this world.
The "success" of IVF has produced many more embryos than are needed by
those infertile couples, but that success should be used to benefit
others who want children. It seems rather illogical to destroy those
embryos rather than use them for their intended purpose.

The truth is that you need to do some educating. Embryos are young
lives that should be allowed to continue their existence. The intent of
infertility treatments is to bring children into the world. There is no
other reason to go to an infertility specialist and no other goal other
than the birth of children. For some people to step in and say that these
embryos should now be used for some other purpose is contrary to the
entire process and intent. If your friends are wishing that science
would find a cure or treatment for Parkinson's through embryonic stem
cell research, then they should look at the work being done to establish
embryonic stem cells without destroying human lives. Such research is
currently being done at Harvard, MIT, University of Minnesota, and
others. In those cases, the stem cells are intended for treatments and
are formed in ways that are more ethically acceptable. I would ask your
friends if they see the benefit of splitting this technology so the
infertility clinics remain focused on bringing babies into the world and
researchers are focused on finding cures for diseases. This approach
protects the value of human life, but does not limit the potential for
success with embryonic stem cell research. If your friends cannot see
the logic in this argument, then you probably are not going to get
through to them. Some people are so hardened in their opinions that
even facts and logic are not going too change their minds.

You also raised another interesting point. Should science be limited or
censored in any way? Yes, of course it should be and it is in virtually
all countries in the world. Science without limits was practiced in
Germany in the early and mid 20th century and the world has condemned
them soundly for it. Science, by its nature, is a field of study and
discovery. We often think that discovery should be free and unlimited
because it will benefit mankind in the end. The truth is that
scientists must be limited because free discovery is not usually
beneficial for mankind. Currently in the United States, we have
government agencies and scientific organizations that oversee the fields
of science. This is appropriate for two reasons: (1) scientists are
not, and should not be, capable of self-limitations. It is not fair to
the field of scientists to expect each one of them to hold to a
consistent ethic and universal standards, if no such standards have been
established. (2) such limitations are often based on a combination of
religious beliefs, ethical standards, and general public opinion. Our
government is specifically designed to represent the general public and
reflect the opinions and standards that are felt by the majority of its
citizens. Therefore, the government is rightly responsible for setting
those standards and enforcing them. Quite honestly, my perception is
that the government has accomplished this role very effectively. We
have continued technological advancements, and for the most part, we
aren't creating a bunch of research that is unacceptable to the general
populace. In summary, the argument that scientists should be free to
pursue their research is simply not thinking this through very well and
coming to a conclusion that is based on shallow emotionalism rather than
reasoned logic.

In the end, Vicky, remember that your role as a Christian is to live
your life as a shining example of faith (Matthew 5) and to always be
prepared to give the reason for the hope that you have for your
salvation (1 Peter 3). You are struggling with ways to win this debate
with your friends, but the greater challenge is to use this debate as a
way to reflect your faith and the truths of God's Word. The arguments
they are giving you are all based on emotionalism and humanism. Your
responses should always be based on Biblical principles and spoken in
love (Ephesians 4). In your responses I would encourage you to provide
some of the information and facts that I listed above. Let your friends
know that you are informed on this topic and not making blind
assumptions. Your strongest argument, however, is found in God's Word.
We know that those embryos are human lives (Psalm 51), we know that we
do not have the right to intentionally kill human beings (Exodus 20) and
we know that God holds us accountable for the lives of our fellow human
beings (Genesis 9). At the same time, we are responsible to preserve
and protect human life and treat our neighbor in love (Luke 10).
Putting these Biblical truths together, it is easy to conclude that we
should support and encourage advancements that are able to treat people
with illnesses or diseases. Yet, we cannot justify procedures that
intentionally destroy human lives for the perceived hope that we might
find a cure to save others. It simply is not consistent with God's
Word.

Lord's blessings on your efforts, Vicky.

Paul Snamiska
Program Administrator
Christian Life Resources


I have asked for the Christian Life Resources to state my beliefs in a non-judgental way as many on this site find me too sure of the rightness of my beliefs. That is what Faith is. Faith is not an emotion. It is the sureness that God requires nothing from us to save ourselves, nor does he believe we are able to life our lives without breaking the ten commandments. He gave his only son for our sake, so by his grace we can be saved. We cannot save ourselves or pray our way into heaven. We can only read his word, attend his church to receive his word and the lord's supper and try to do his will to the last.

If you are an athiest, please ignore this post. But if you consider yourself a Christian please give the Program Admistrator of Christian Life Resources serious thought. I believe that reverence for life was one of Jesus top priorties when he was on this earth, as he showed mercy on even those whom cursed and crucified them on the cross.

Sincerely,
Vicky Lynn
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from NYTimes today:

July 27, 2007

Patient in Experimental Gene Therapy Study Dies, F.D.A. Says

By DENISE GRADY and ANDREW POLLACK
A patient has died in a study of an experimental gene therapy, the Food and Drug Administration reported yesterday. The agency said it was investigating the death to determine whether the treatment was to blame.
The case could be another setback for gene therapy, a field with a troubled history and numerous treatment failures, including the death of a teenager in 1999 in an experiment.
The new therapy being tested, made by Targeted Genetics of Seattle, is a virus-based product injected directly in the joints in hope of relieving active inflammatory arthritis. That chronic condition can affect multiple joints and organs, and it is quite different from the wear-and-tear arthritis that commonly occurs with aging.The patient became ill soon after receiving a second injection, the drug agency said. The date is not exactly clear, but the illness was recognized as a “serious adverse event” last Friday, and the agency immediately suspended the study. That means no more injections can be given. The patient died on Tuesday.
Targeted Genetics and the drug agency said they would not describe the patient’s symptoms or the manner of death until the investigation had been completed. The company and the agency emphasized that it was not known whether the treatment had a role or the death was a coincidence. The agency said the timing was cause for concern.
H. Stewart Parker, chief executive of Targeted Genetics, said, “The patient was dosed one dose and had no issues and came back several months later and coincident with the dosing had an S.A.E.”
S.A.E. is an abbreviation for serious adverse event.
Ms. Parker said the company had used the same type of virus to carry various genes into more than 500 patients and had not seen similar problems. “These patients are all on several different medications,” she said. “They certainly have disease characteristics.”
The drug agency said it was reviewing all other studies using the same virus, which is called an adeno-associated virus, though it had not heard of similar problems.
Dr. Theodore Friedmann, a professor of pediatrics and head of the gene therapy program at the University of California, San Diego, said the A.A.V. system used in the experiment was widely regarded as safe.
But, Dr. Friedmann added, “We’ll probably come to learn it does some harmful things in some settings.”



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Please explain to me why my post is "off topic?" Jean and Thelma, my post encouraged research of adult stem cells. Your post, Jean, and Thelma's "Thanks for This" make no sense. Arrian has arthritis, the patient who died had arthritis. Arrian was to receive her treatment in Seattle. The patient who died was in Seattle receiving treatment for arthritis. The information from the Director was added but was not the primary message. My entire first paragraph was about a young girl with her whole life before her and is counting on stem cell/gene therapy to save her life. The little girl wants to dance but can rarely leave her wheelchair for fear of breaking a bone. Everyone on this site is so pro-science and have so little thought for anything but themselves and finding a cure for Parkinson's that they haven't the time to learn of a young girl who more than likely will never know the thrill of her first dance.

Leah McLean's Blog: A hope for healing

It's tough to see a little girl suffering from a disease that's taken an obvious toll. But 10-year-old Arrian Madden has a way of making you smile even through her own hardship. She has Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis, or JRA. She's had it since she was six months old. The disease makes her immune system attack her. She's in and out of the hospital with infections a couple times every year. Her bones and joints hurt almost all the time.

I had the opportunity to meet her and her family a couple weeks ago and they blew me away. Arrian was sitting in a wheel chair when we first met. But she got up to say hi. She can walk around but has to be careful not to overdue it or she could injure herself because of the JRA. She told me she wants to take ballet lessons but knows it would be too much on her fragile body.

A stem cell transplant offered in Seattle is bringing new hope for her family. They had planned to start the procedure at the end of July but a new infection is slowing them down. Arrian is in the hospital in a drug-induced coma right now. She has an infection in her kidneys and lungs. Her family is taping our news story so she can see it when she's feeling better. It will likely be months before she's strong enough to do the stem cell transplant. But her doctor says if she can have the procedure it could make all her symptoms go away. It's possible she would start to grow and develop like other children her age once if she can get off all the medication.

This family is struggling with all the challenges. They could use all the help they can get. They set up a fund called Arrian's Angels at TCF bank and they have a Caring Bridge sight set up so people can check in on her progress. We wish them all the best.


What are you advocating for? Science or humanity? I am ashamed to know any of you who have been so heartless not to offer some words of hope to this young friend of mine by at least signing her guestbook and offering some words of comfort or encouragement for a young girl who has given so much.
If advocacy is not taking into account the humanity of all then count me out.

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Vicky -

Arrian sounds like a very brave girl, and I have every hope and pray that she will be able to get the stem cell transplant.

She is not the patient involved in the clinical trial who died. That trial involved 127 adults only. It did not include a stem cell transplant; it was gene therapy in the form of viral injections.

I have just as much admiration for those arthritis sufferers who volunteer their lives and health to participate in a clinical trial as I do for those who have Parkinson's. All are pioneers; all of them advance the science for everyone.
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Dear Indigogo,

But Arriano is also an experimental subject. Arriana, if able to overcome her overwhelming struggle of fighting off two infections, be the first child to have this surgery. She is also opening doors for young children everywhere suffering this disease. Her family has assurred me of this.

Why is it I have to prove to everyone on this site of the value of the life of this young girl? How is it "OT" to mention anouther hero and request support without proving this is an appropriate thread to post it on. You are the most stubborn people I have ever met, but I will not lose hope that you will stop advocating (this is a support board to my knowledge, not an advocacy only board) long enough to send your prayers and support to a young girl who has her whole life ahead of her.

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Vicky,

This thread started out about a clinical trial participant in a gene therapy trial who died. The gene therapy trial was an arthritis treatment.

You responded about Ariann, embryonic stem cells, and a quote from Christian Life Resources.

It seems to me that your post would have been better placed if you had started a new thread which covered your topics: Ariann, Stem Cells, Christian Life Resources.

This is no slight to that young woman and her courage. I wish her success and good health. But when a thread is about one topic, and a poster changes the subject, then I think their post is "off topic." When I go to read this thread, I expect to read about gene therapy and the trial participant who died. I do not expect an argument against embryonic stem cells - which has nothing to do with the original topic.

This is not a judgment, nor is it a criticism. It is simply my view that as a matter of courtesy posters should follow the thread(s) and stay on topic - that is write about the current subject. For discussions about other information - start a new thread.
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