As I see it, we can make a device easily. The problem for me is, I can make a device but I have no way to qualify or quantify if it's working. I don't have Parkinson's or Alzheimer's issues, but I have a medical and an electronics background. What I don't have is a parent or relative who has a neurologic issues. I certainly can't make it and then give it away since it would make me legally liable. You see what a mess this would be. Others don't have the electronics background, but have health issues.

I have been trying to figure out a way of testing it's efficacy on a normal subject. Clearly I don't have access to a MRI or better yet a PET scan, which would tell me something about brain activity. I could test myself on a random memory function test administered on a computer. Let's say it's something simple like guess where the matching card is placed. The more you test your ability, the better you tend to do on the test, since part of measurement is the learning of visual clues and simple practice. So simply improving your scores, unless dramatic, would not prove anything. Then clearly we would need to have many many subjects reporting their findings, but how would we know that they all were truthful, had the same test, had the same length of exposure, intensity of light, same wavelength, etc.

From the patent, and from articles to date, it sounds like they dissected mice brains and saw new neuronal growth. In the last posted video article, he states that he saw a slight improvement in his father or father-in-law based on a cognitive score (only two points). What would be more telling would be to see what parts of the brain lights up showing glucose utilization on a PET scan, and therefore see if there is more brain activity. Coupled with that we need to see a battery of memory tests showing an increased amount of scoring across short and long term memory, cognitive function, reasoning, etc.

The small increase would be significant if the patient was really advanced in their Alzheimer's disease. I would hope that catching it earlier would have a much higher score change. Realize that while it is miraculous to see any new growth or improvement in memory, it's not simply going to make the disease go away. In Alzheimer's their are a series of neurofibullary tangles created (damaged areas) that still would be there. The only difference is that there is some repair in some areas. What is interesting in the "nun study", is that in many cases, the nuns while scoring significantly better, had just as many neurofibulary tangles as some patients who performed poorly. No one knows for sure what this means.

I also quoted the heal spur website, even that manufacturer discounts the efficacy of using the LEDs for neuro therapy. The cheaper heal spur devices would act as a good base model to modify by simply substituting the 1072 nm LEDs for the ones supplied by the manufacturer. That way the circuit board would have an existing power supply wired in.

The water experiment sounds very cheap and doable, but unless we figure out a way to measure the wavelength(s) of light produced, we have no idea if anything will result from it. Clearly from the helmet patent, only two peaks of infrared light had any effect, benefit, and penetration into the skull.

Now we have to switch gears to Parkinson's. When I watched the short video clip, he said something about non-placement of the LEDs in the occipital region(back of the head). He stated that the skull is relatively thin in the parietal (top sides), frontal (front) and temporal (temple) regions. He wasn't concerned with LED placement in the occipital regions since these areas are for visual and motor use. Obviously for Parkinson's disease, we DO want to illuminate these areas since the main brain damaged areas that are important for dopamine are located in the brain stem, which is located in the aproximate area of the occipital area.

The literature I've seen indicates that you may get exactly the opposite effect i.e. neurogical impairment at this wavelength. I can't remember the source but I found it on the internet and I believe it might have been in association with the original paper on mice and memory enhancement.

The 1070 nm has little to do with penetration through the skin and bone of the skull. Bright infrared can penetrate skin and bone easily as a simple experiment with shooting a television remote control through your hand will demonstrate. (channels change) (See more on usability of TV remotes below)

I suspect that a few things are going on with the wavelength. 1070 is very low in energy and there may be a significant difference between ionization energies for some cells or particular atoms in structures in cells that are being affected by the illumination. 940 may ionize 1070 may not. There may be a thin line between harm and help.

Why might illumination of the brain-- an organ that lives in the dark--stimulate the production of neural connections? Is the illumination simulating other internal stimulation that naturally stimulates neural regeneration in the brain? One might observe that one of the few places on the human body that maintains hair is the head and that hair may block light from the brain. Maybe a way of metering the amount of light that gets to the brain. Neurons eventually evolved into retinal cells so we can assume some inherent photosensitivity in neurons.

I also wonder whether a constant light source might not be less effective than a modulated one. Most natural neural stimulation is modulated. Nerves turn on and off in rhythm and in response to external stimulation. The impression that I've gotten from the articles is that the light source is constant. Modulation also allows one to drive the LEDs with more current hence more brightness without heatsinking. An easy modulator can be built with a TV remote control --available at a dollar store. Solder one switch closed and put your 1070 in place of the one in the control and you are ready to roll. TV remotes also overdrive the LEDs to increase remote control range. There are two major frequency types in the remote signal--a low frequency component for the packet of information and the higher frequency that has the digitally encoded information that tells the TV what the actual command is. The lower frequency is in the range of natural brain rhythms. Just a few thoughts for those experimenters among you.

Just a word of caution.............

I do think it important to note here that NeuroTalk does *not* advocate self experimentation without qualified supervision.

this is a discussion thread and should not be construed as a "how to" set of instructions, especially as this involves electrical/electronic circuitry

thanks
Cheri

Nakandakari

I've been unable to locate the IR helmet patent using the search terms you suggested. Can you supply the patent number? Thanks

http://www.consumerhealth.org/articl...19990303212216

Gary Skillen is a geomancer, professional earth grid engineer, inventor, dowser, researcher and agricultural consultant. Most of his research has been devoted to ecological solutions in the field of agriculture and focuses on the interaction of animal nutrition and the health of the soils on which animal feed crops are grown. He has a diploma in Dairy Science from Macdonald College, the agriculture extension of McGill University, and has devoted most of his research to ecological solutions in the field of agriculture. Gary is vice-president of the Canadian Society of Dowsers and organizes and instructs the annual Dowsing School for the Society.

GEOPATHIC ZONES We sleep for about eight hours in the same spot, or sit at work for eight hours in the same spot, and if that is what is called a geopathically stressed zone, some problem will eventually arise because of that. In some areas of Europe it has long been public policy to prohibit the building of residences over water veins, fault zones or areas of geomagnetic disturbance because of the health hazards observed over many centuries in dwellings previously built on such sites.

THE HARTMANN GRID If you go to the agricultural college library and look up geomagnetism, you will see that the earth is gridded with electromagnetic earth currents from the earth called Telluric lines. These electromagnetic energy lines have a wave pattern and flow in a grid fashion. There are different kinds of electromagnetic earth currents. The first is the Hartmann Grid, named after Dr. Ernst Hartmann who discovered it. Its lines run north to south as well as east to west, forming a checkerboard pattern with a 12 foot square grid and lines about four inches wide. At full moon they may be wider. The distance between the lines may be different in your area, depending primarily on the rock beneath the earth where you are living which will cause some variance. This far north of the equator, the lines of the Hartmann grid are only 12 feet apart, which means they are not very far apart, and some will be found underneath your home. Closer to the equator, they are about 17 feet apart, and they are wider and much less intense. These lines are actually rays projecting straight up from the ground, and it doesn't matter whether you are on the first floor or the fortieth floor. I don't know how deep the lines go. Their depth would depend on how much crystal there is in the rock. In the Kingston area the rock contains a lot of crystal, and the phenomenon is far worse from Kingston going north-west along the Canadian shield.

THE CURRY NET The Curry Net, named after Dr. Manfred Curry, runs diagonal to the Hartmann Grid, running from north-west to south-east, south-west to north-east, and one grid lays on top of the other. The Curry lines are 25 to 50 feet apart, so the Curry is not under every home. The Hartmann always is, but the Curry is not. That Curry Line is called the cancer line.

WATER VEINS The other phenomenon we have is water veins. This is water actually travelling in the rock, and that is where a dowser would find the water. So where two water veins intersect or where water intersects with the Curry is a very very dangerous place to be sleeping. When you have all the grids together, with the Curry line on top of the Hartmann, and the water veins as well, you could experience serious diseases at the crossings. What I see over the Hartmann crossings generally is less serious diseases such as arthritis.

MULTI-GROUNDING SYSTEM Every electrical installation is grounded; every building, every transformer, roughly every third hydro pole along the road is grounded. Since everything is grounded, it causes a certain amount of electricity to go into the soil. Power companies do not sell all the electricity they manufacture because some of it goes off into the air. Most researchers measure what goes into the atmosphere and how it affects human health, but my research shows that what goes into the air is not the most serious problem. It is actually what is coming up out of the earth from the earth rays, these magnetic grid lines which it is travelling along.

STRAY VOLTAGE IN THE GROUND I was at a meeting last September here in Toronto put on by the Canadian Electrical Association and they were discussing the effect of stray voltage on dairy cows. They were saying that electrical energy goes down the ground wires and back to the source where it was made, which is the substation or the power station. I asked them how it goes there, and they said that they really didn't know. Well, I think they know that it is travelling along the earth's magnetic grid lines. If there is a problem with an electric motor, or an electrical short or fault which is sending a lot of electrical energy down the ground wire, it will be travelling back to the source and it may be travelling underneath your home.

STRAY VOLTAGE AND COWS About three years ago, a farmer called me in because of stray voltage. Stray voltage occurs on a dairy farm where there is a lot of heavy equipment or electric motors with electrical faults which cause them to send a lot of electrical energy down the ground wires. Ontario Hydro had been in and had measured two volts of electricity coming right out of the soil. They just stick two rods in the ground maybe 50 feet apart with wires across with a volt meter to measure the voltage. Six of his cows had already died, so it was quite serious. When I dowsed for the Hartmann Grid lines, I found that it was the cows who were standing on these grid lines who were being affected by the stray voltage. The electricity that was travelling in the soil was travelling on the Hartmann Grid, and the cows who were standing on the Hartmann lines were the ones whose immune systems were depressed.

The dairy cow is tied in the same stall for 24 hours a day, so any adverse effects will be more predominant. These animals have taught me more than people because there is absolutely no placebo effect, which means that they don't know that I have made any changes in the earth's energies of their environment. But they change their behaviour from being an irritable, kicking animal to one that is calm, and that is a considerable change. Cows are tied up in two rows in barns, generally down the barn, and where the grid lines cross, I would ask the farmer, "Does that cow have a problem?" and he would say yes. Another 12 feet down I would ask, "Does that cow have a problem?" and he would answer yes, and he was quite surprised. Since cow stalls are four feet wide, the grid lines were under every third stall, all the way down the barn. I was able to identify the cows that had mastitis and different diseases, and who would not respond to medication. So we made the corrections, and things improved on that farm.

EFFECTS OF THE GRID LINES ON PLANTS, ANIMALS AND CHILDREN Birds use these magnetic lines to travel north and south to find their way back to the same nest. Cats interestingly will sleep on these zones, but dogs hate them. So if you have a cat sleeping on your bed all the time, be careful. There may be a geopathically stressed zone there. They are excellent dowsers. We also know that plants are affected by these energies. Trees will often grow with a twisted grain, or they grow off to one angle, or have burls on them. That tree is growing over a stressed area. So if you watch the trees, you will know where the geopathically stressed zones are. Children, even little children and babies will creep off these lines. They may even sleep on the carpet beside the bed, because it is just uncomfortable for them. Children who are sleeping on the Curry in particular, will have nightmares.

DISEASES LINKED TO GEOPATHIC STRESS Have any of you ever moved into a new apartment or new house and have never felt well since? You may have low energy, or not sleep properly. Electromagnetic fields interfere with the movement of oxygen at a cellular level, and the movement of water; therefore arthritis may result. I have seen arthritis, coughing, asthma, headaches, and diseases of different locations of the body depending on where the Hartmann grid is crossing you while you are asleep. It can be the liver or the kidneys. It can be anything. I had a client who was sleeping on a Curry line for 33 years and she developed cancer. It took that long in her case for the cancer to manifest, but some people are sick within three months of moving into a new house. So there are no rules. It depends on the individual, perhaps their diet, their attitude to life, how strong the lines are, how much electricity is travelling on them, how wide they are, and their intensity. If you have a phenomenon like this interfering with vibrational medicine such as homeopathy or aromatherapy, whatever corrections the practitioner is trying to make will not be very successful because of where you are sleeping. The Curry Net will usually wake people up every morning around two or three o'clock because it changes flow direction at that time and goes in the opposite direction. That is not exactly a shock, but it wakes people up.

BALANCING THE ENERGY FIELDS Our ancient people knew of these earth energies and their powerful influence on people and they knew how to balance these energies. Some cultures built pyramids in different parts of the world. Our Native North Americans built medicine wheels. To build a medicine wheel, or energy wheel, you take large rocks, preferably pink granite, and place them over a water dome, then a large one over each water vein coming off the dome, and then small rocks in between so it looks like a wagon wheel lying there on the ground built of stone. That will balance earth energies and you will actually have fewer flies and other insects around.

INSECTS AND PLANTS Insects know the difference between a healthy plant and an unhealthy plant, and they are attracted to the unhealthy ones. They have antennae which measure frequencies. An unhealthy plant gives of a high frequency short wave length, and the insects' job in nature is to destroy the unhealthy plants and only let the healthy plants multiply. When our plants are unhealthy, the insects come in, and we in our wisdom, get out our favourite insecticide and kill them, when really, the plant should have been destroyed. Dr. Danskow in Minnesota has discovered that if the leaf sugar reading is over 12%, insects stay away because apparently that sugar will change to alcohol in their digestive system and kill them with alcohol toxicity and diarrhea. We all know that sugar turns into alcohol. So if you are having insect problems in your garden and your plants are obviously under stress, find out what is wrong. Bring in a dowser and you can find out. Plants have a consciousness, and you can actually communicate with the plant. Read the book The Secret Life of Plants by Christopher Bird.

DETECTION OF GEOPATHIC ZONES BY DOWSING We have tried many instruments, some very expensive, but none have proved as consistently reliable, accurate and quick as a human dowser. All scientists measuring geopathic stress with instruments will take a dowser along to locate the radiation initially. Today, dowsing is accepted and practiced by more and more people including medical practitioners, and dowsing for water has been the most accepted way of dowsing for thousands of years. Dowsing for health enables medical practitioners to determine and locate illnesses and disease and select the most suitable form of treatment and remedy quickly. Dowsing can be used for checking food to see if it is free from toxins and for determining allergies to certain foods. Dowsing areas for geopathic stress can be learned in a matter of minutes using rods, a pendulum, or the muscle test even though some dowsers tell you it will take years to learn. Learn to dowse and figure out where these grid lines are.

TREATMENT FOR GEOPATHIC STRESS ZONES There are many different methods of dealing with these phenomena. My own works well, and so do many others. Some people use stragically placed copper wires and coils and wrap copper wire around the bed frame. I dowse to see where the coils should be placed. Correct the problem. Move the bed a foot and a half and you are off the line. Watch where the cat is sleeping, or the dog. We place jars of specifically programmed crystals in a triangle around the house or barn, usually buried in the ground, and this starts the grid lines swirling and mixing. The swirling action is evident in the kitchen sink. The water may go down counterclockwise at night and clockwise during the day time. Counter-clockwise is a healing energy (north pole energy) and clockwise is a stimulating energy (south pole energy). Magnetic mattress pads will even the effects of the lines out, but not necessarily block them. That doesn't make it good.

PROTECTIVE PRODUCTS I have developed a few products to protect you from electromagnetic fields. The Lady-Bug is a new concept using special materials and antennae to attract and redirect harmful computer screen emissions away from the user. It is a cute-looking bug, the size of a dime. The Elf-Pak contains a dielectric resonator which alters the harmful nature of radiations and creates an interference pattern. It is placed on the main electrical fuse box in the home or workplace to neutralize harmful electricity. It protects against radiations from microwave dishes, power substations and power transmission lines. Carry the Elf-Pak when flying to reduce jet lag caused by electronics and wiring under the floor of the airplane. The Earth Crystals will neutralize harmful geopathic stress zones and create a healing vortex around your home or workplace.

Are you sleeping in a cancer zone? It is a big concern for people today. Most of the research on this subject has been done in Europe. Some of the original research was done by von Pohl in Germany in the 1920s. Kathe Bachler discusses how where you are sleeping can cause cancer in her book called Earth Radiation, and there is an excellent book out of England by Rolf Gordon called Are You Sleeping in a Safe Place? All three people are saying virtually the same thing.


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, Or the Canadian Society of Dowsers at 21 Oberon St., Nepean, Ontario; phone 613-828-4476.
Gary's products, the Lady Bug, the Elf-Pak, and the Earth Crystals are available at Consumer Health Organization. Please call 416-490-0986.

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Many of us posted links earlier in this discussion, however here is the patent for the helmet:
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?...4&DISPLAY=DESC

This seems to me to be a very practical method for theoretically making an LED illuminating device. It is relatively simple to open a remote control. Most simply use a two AAA batteries as a voltage source. One LED is located within, and there are only two LED terminals to unsolder. You might order the proper 1072 nm LED, and solder it in place. You must solder it in in correct polarity (positive and negative terminals) in order to get it to illuminate. Remember too you most likely will not see the illumination since it is beyond our visual range.

On old analog multimeters, you can double check the proper polarity by checking resistance on the LED and if correctly connected it will immuninate. Since this one might be beyond our visual range (or may be very dimly lit), I'm trying to figure a good way for experimentors to tell if they wired it correctly. It may be you can tell since the LED will most like be properly labeled when it arrives, and you can compare this by looking at the labeling on the top of the circuit board. The top of a circuit board often is labeled to assist the assembling person. The bottom side is soldered.

Essentialy what "builder" is suggesting is analogous to the cold sore LED device patented by the same company that is building the helmet. For people who don't wish to make it, you might theoretically try ordering the cold sore device: http://www.vcs.eu.com/ and apply it to you skull.

Now the problem is that it is manufactured in Britain, and they don't ship to the US since it is not licensed for us there. The main issue that I see is one of intensity. The helmet requires FANS which means theoretically that the device is using WAY MORE power. If they could have gotten away with just using the cold sore device, they would have.

Now the restorelite product for anti-aging uses the same 1072 nm LEDs for skin applications. It DOES ship to the world from Britain and retails for £169.00 ( which is $335). If you purchased this device you could use it for cold sore applications, wrinkle treatment, and whatever else you thought up...

To reiterate what Chemar said, NeuroTalk does not condone or support self-experimentation using unproven scientific theories to "see" if something might work, especially if said practices could result in unknown harm.

Like any alternative techniques discussed on NeuroTalk (holistic, vitamins, etc.), people should be very careful and not engage in any unproven treatment without first consulting their own physician.

DocJohn

I hope that the irony is appreciated considering just how much self experimenting has gone on in this forum.

But, seriously, you should know as much as possible about what you are doing and not from advertisements. That is true whether it is some health store cure all or an ad in Oprah. And be aware that no matter how much you study things can go wrong. There is no way to avoid risk. But you can minimize it.

I certainly have to agree with Cheri and Doc that self testing is unwise. But I would like to consider the following:

Primates have lived outdoors since we crawled out of the oceans. The light irradiating the earth (at sea level) at high noon is about 1000 watts/meter2.
This is equivalent to 100 mw/cm2. Using the graph in the article I mentioned in a previous post (http://heelspurs.com/led.html#str2) on page 7, I estimate the total power from 600nm to 1200nm to be 60mw/cm2. That is 100mw/cm2/nm times 600 nm.

Standing outside in full sunlight, and assuming the UV is blocked by sun screen, the energy one would be exposed to over a one hour period in the near infrared range is : 60mw/cm2 X 3600 seconds is 216 Joules. A Joule being defined as a watt second.

I'm using a 50 Watt Halogen lamp with a built-in parabolic reflector in my own experiments. A "back of the envelope" calculation gives 300mw/cm2 over the 600nm to 1200nm range(near infrared). So a 10 minute exposure is about 180/cm2 Joules of energy.

So putting this all in perspective 10 minutes under the lamp is about like one hour outdoors.

A few cautionary notes: (1) All the harmful UV rays have been filtered.
(2) These are rough calculations. I don't have the equipment to verify the numbers. (3) I have NO medical training. I am a retired EE.

These are few of my thoughts. Hopefully we can leverage our collective knowledge to hone in on something useful.