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Old 10-10-2008, 08:47 PM #21
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Give your niece time... It may take a month or even longer for the shock & embarrassment of it all to not be so "fresh".

Time does heal..
... maybe she would prefer to let it all just fade into the back ground and forget that it happened.
You apologized sincerely and sent the relevant info to her, now you just need to wait and see how it goes.
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Thanks for your response and I will take your advice also. I need to let things heal, if it ever will, only time will tell.

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It is nearly impossible to offend me. No apologies needed. I decided a long time ago that being offended is a complete waste of time....It really frees you up from other peoples baggage.

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Thank you all for replying and understanding. I'm off to bed but tomorrow I'll give you the details on the drugs I'm taking.

Just to let you know, it was a week were I hadn't slept very well and my body was jumping all over the place, this was the first time this movement was that bad.

The person I offended was my niece, a niece that I love like a daughter. She won't talk to me anymore and it's breaking my heart. I really hurt her a lot, telling her I wanted to be her lover and stuff like that. I'm feel so ashamed, even though I know it wasn't me saying that stuff.......
Oh my. But I think people even NOT on meds do this. You really can't make excuses for what you did. This is something you will have consequenses of. But I think you already know this.

I know I have done things in my life I'm not proud of and wish I never did but we all do Stupid things, admit it or not. sometimes I just lay on my bed and think about all the things I have done that were REALLY DUMB. I'm ashamed of my life because of these ridiculous things. But I do realize that at the time and my state of mind, they SEEMED like good ideas at the time.

As far as your niece. Hmmm. Hard to say what you can do. I don't think you can really fix it. She knows, you know and who else knows?? If you bring it up with her OR her parents OR anyone else, you know it isn't going to resolve anything. These kinds of things just seem to never be resolved. You have lost her trust, that's a given. Maybe you should just stay away from her.
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Oh my. But I think people even NOT on meds do this. You really can't make excuses for what you did. This is something you will have consequenses of. But I think you already know this.

You'll have to excuse me but I don't think I'm making excuses, I'm just trying to understand why I did what I did. If you knew me you would know that what I did it out of character for me. I've always lived my life putting peoples feelings ahead of myself, even for people I don't know. That's the way I was brought up and that's the way I live my life. I'm just trying to understand why I would do something like that so I don't repeat it again.

You may have done a lot of stupid things in you life that you're ashamed off, but I haven't. When you did those stupid things, didn't you try to analyze them so not to do them again?


I know I have done things in my life I'm not proud of and wish I never did but we all do Stupid things, admit it or not. sometimes I just lay on my bed and think about all the things I have done that were REALLY DUMB. I'm ashamed of my life because of these ridiculous things. But I do realize that at the time and my state of mind, they SEEMED like good ideas at the time.

As far as your niece. Hmmm. Hard to say what you can do. I don't think you can really fix it. She knows, you know and who else knows?? If you bring it up with her OR her parents OR anyone else, you know it isn't going to resolve anything. These kinds of things just seem to never be resolved. You have lost her trust, that's a given. Maybe you should just stay away from her.
I realize I can't fix it, even if she talks to me again, things will never be the same again. My niece is an adult and it's and I realize it's her choice to either talk to me about it or someone else, I'll respect whatever she decides.

I'm not on here trying to make excuses or gain sympathy for what I did. I did what I did and I will live with that for the rest of my life. If doing bad things is part of your character, it's not mine, believe it or not, your choice.

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Oh my. But I think people even NOT on meds do this. You really can't make excuses for what you did. This is something you will have consequenses of. But I think you already know this.

You'll have to excuse me but I don't think I'm making excuses, I'm just trying to understand why I did what I did. If you knew me you would know that what I did it out of character for me. I've always lived my life putting peoples feelings ahead of myself, even for people I don't know. That's the way I was brought up and that's the way I live my life. I'm just trying to understand why I would do something like that so I don't repeat it again.

You may have done a lot of stupid things in you life that you're ashamed off, but I haven't. When you did those stupid things, didn't you try to analyze them so not to do them again?

I know I have done things in my life I'm not proud of and wish I never did but we all do Stupid things, admit it or not. sometimes I just lay on my bed and think about all the things I have done that were REALLY DUMB. I'm ashamed of my life because of these ridiculous things. But I do realize that at the time and my state of mind, they SEEMED like good ideas at the time.

As far as your niece. Hmmm. Hard to say what you can do. I don't think you can really fix it. She knows, you know and who else knows?? If you bring it up with her OR her parents OR anyone else, you know it isn't going to resolve anything. These kinds of things just seem to never be resolved. You have lost her trust, that's a given. Maybe you should just stay away from her.
I realize I can't fix it, even if she talks to me again, things will never be the same again. My niece is an adult and it's and I realize it's her choice to either talk to me about it or someone else, I'll respect whatever she decides.

I'm not on here trying to make excuses or gain sympathy for what I did. I did what I did and I will live with that for the rest of my life. If doing bad things is part of your character, it's not mine, believe it or not, your choice.

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Oh my. But I think people even NOT on meds do this. You really can't make excuses for what you did. This is something you will have consequenses of. But I think you already know this.

You may have done a lot of stupid things in you life that you're ashamed off, but I haven't. When you did those stupid things, didn't you try to analyze them so not to do them again?

I know I have done things in my life I'm not proud of and wish I never did but we all do Stupid things, admit it or not. sometimes I just lay on my bed and think about all the things I have done that were REALLY DUMB. I'm ashamed of my life because of these ridiculous things. But I do realize that at the time and my state of mind, they SEEMED like good ideas at the time.

As far as your niece. Hmmm. Hard to say what you can do. I don't think you can really fix it. She knows, you know and who else knows?? If you bring it up with her OR her parents OR anyone else, you know it isn't going to resolve anything. These kinds of things just seem to never be resolved. You have lost her trust, that's a given. Maybe you should just stay away from her.

You'll have to excuse me but I don't think I'm making excuses, I'm just trying to understand why I did what I did. If you knew me you would know that what I did it out of character for me. I've always lived my life putting peoples feelings ahead of myself, even for people I don't know. That's the way I was brought up and that's the way I live my life. I'm just trying to understand why I would do something like that so I don't repeat it again.

You may have done a lot of stupid things in you life that you're ashamed off, but I haven't. When you did those stupid things, didn't you try to analyze them so not to do them again?

I realize I can't fix it, even if she talks to me again, things will never be the same again. My niece is an adult and it's and I realize it's her choice to either talk to me about it or someone else, I'll respect whatever she decides.

I'm not on here trying to make excuses or gain sympathy for what I did. I did what I did and I will live with that for the rest of my life. If doing bad things is part of your character, it's not mine, believe it or not, your choice.

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i have been trying to figure out how to reply to this thread. i was victim of incest by my brother when i was a preteen and it is difficult subject matter. though the act didn't take place in your situation, the intent was suggested and persued and the shock of it will be felt in her for a long long time. trust is a precious and delicate commonity in all relationships, but when family members violate that trust, the wound is very deep. i think the only thing you can do know is allow time to take its course. whether or not she forgives you, it is you that must look in the mirror.

the amount of agonist you are taking is quite low. i dont see how it could be possible that this is the cause of what has taken place. i could be wrong, but in my opinion, a more beneficial answer is to seek some intense counceling instead of looking at your medication regime.
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Claude I think I understand what you are going through, I too did something that I shouldnt have and that was out of character. You dont have to defend yourself to anyone, I know you are not trying to make excuses, you are just trying to get perspective. You did what you did, you apologized for it and asked for forgiveness. Thats all you can do. My wife forgave me but our 30 year marriage still ended as a result. The person I offended said she forgave me but we have not spoken since, its been about 5 years. I am now remarried to a wonderful woman, before we were married I told her about it.

I was taking 25mg of Requip a day at the time now I am taking 0mg!!
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As far as the agonist dose being too little to have an effect upon hypersexuality, there is an important finding in the following study evidenced by the notation:"There were no differences between the hypersexuality group and controls in terms of total levodopa dose or total dopamine-agonist dose calculated in levodopa dose equivalents..."

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"..."We wanted to identify as clear a group as possible between hypersexuality and pathological gambling to see if there were individual vulnerabilities that might be different between the 2 groups," Dr. Voon pointed out, and they did find differences that might help in counseling and monitoring patients on PD medications...

"..If you see a patient who is male, has current major depression and higher novelty seeking, they're at greater risk of developing hypersexuality, as opposed to someone who has a personal or family history of alcohol-use disorder and has high novelty seeking, who is more likely to develop gambling symptoms, where you'd be more likely to watch out for that."

11th International Congress of Parkinson's Disease and Movement Disorders: Poster 595. Presented June 6, 2007.


In the current study, the researchers compared 18 patients fulfilling diagnostic criteria for hypersexuality with 42 PD patients without compulsive behaviors. All subjects with hypersexuality were male, with a mean age of 58.6 years. They then compared factors associated with hypersexuality with those seen in the previous paper with 19 PD subjects who had pathological gambling associated with treatment.

They found that subjects with hypersexuality were more likely to be male (100% male in this sample), but that association was not seen in the gambling group. Both hypersexuality and gambling patients had a significantly younger age at PD onset.

There were no differences between the hypersexuality group and controls in terms of total levodopa dose or total dopamine-agonist dose calculated in levodopa dose equivalents, Dr. Voon noted. Other studies have shown an association with dose, but compulsive medication use in these patients may confound this association, she said.

No associations with markers of disease progression were apparent, she said, although there appeared to be a trend toward more dyskinesias in the hypersexuality group. "The P value was .1, but that may be a power issue, so it's an interesting question," she noted.

They also looked at several characteristics that might be associated with individual vulnerabilities to addiction and found some differences here as well between the group with hypersexuality and those who developed pathological gambling.

For example, alcohol-use disorders were common in pathological gambling, but no association was seen with hypersexuality. Current major depression was significantly associated with hypersexuality vs controls without compulsive behaviors, but not in the pathological-gambling group.

Mania was associated with gambling, but there was only a trend to an association with hypersexuality. Both hypersexuality and pathological-gambling patients showed an association with novelty seeking — essentially a temperament that tends toward risk-taking or thrill-seeking behaviors.

In subjects where male gender, younger age at PD onset, current major depression, and novelty seeking were all present, they predicted hypersexuality at 87.2% in a logistic regression model.
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