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You've tried everything else, why not try therapeutic massage for the soft tissue sensations? Trigger points in the scalenes of the neck can refer pain to all sorts of places--into the arm or, conversely, down the back. However, the burning sensation may be caused by sensory nerves and not motor nerves (muscles have both). The burning can also be ischemia (muscles and skin not getting enough oxygen). For whatever it is worth, IMO you should book a session with a massage therapist. It won't cause you any more harm, and it may eliminate some of your problems. |
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If you touch my skin it its not soar to the touch but it will make the burning pain worse. God forbid you rub or message it I would be in a lot of burning pain. The funney thing is that when I had the burning in my chest and tightness in my throat I went for myofacial message therapy. It helped lossen my neck muscles and helped tightness in throat but did notthing for mychest. At the time my back had no issues or burning. Over next 2 months around the time I started on SSRI's my back started to burn and my chest buring went away. I was still going for messages and wife was rubbing me at home too. It helped the back burnin a little while rubbing but once stopped it would come back. Now back then you could touch or rub my back but now its just got so senstive you can't I havent had anyone rub my back in over a month. Could a pinched nerve in my back even cause this? Its defenitily a sensory issue here. I am at a loss. I am thinking about stopping Lexapro but not sure. Is there any other tests I can go for? Does this sound like nerve problem? |
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Welcome to NeuroTalk:
I see you have been thru a diagnostic wringer of sorts. And I get the impression that the tests themselves, the scoping etc may have made you worse or created a secondary problem! I wonder if you smoke, or smoke MJ? Can you tell us what drugs you use besides the Nexium or other acid blocking ones? All the acid blocking drugs block absorption of B12, folate, calcium, iron, zinc and magnesium from normal absorption in the GI tract. Many people become low in B12 as a result. When calcium gets low, there can be many abberant nerve reactions in the body. Paresthesias, etc. Low Vit D which is very common today, leads to poor calcium absorption, too, which when added to things like Nexium etc, means you can have serious issues there. You can get serum tests for B12 and D, but be aware that doctors do not use current lab ranges...and may give "normal" answers and you then need to get the actual numbers and come back here to find out further if you are indeed in trouble with them. We had a poster here Mark... who had alot strange pain in his chest and found he was really low in Vit D. Fixing that fixed his issues and he posted about it here. http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/post283969-33.html B12 information here: http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/thread85103.html Vit D information here: http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/thread92116.html Be aware that certain RX drugs cause PN... statins and some common antibiotics like Cipro, Avelox,Levaquin, Flagyl, and many others. Doctors WILL NOT address this issue. You have to do it. Damage from Cipro, Levaquin etc may not be evident for months after you stop these drugs. Therefore, they are confusing triggers and often ignored. Here is the drug thread: http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/thread122889.html It seems to me you started off with just an annoying symptom and now you are in much more discomfort. I suspect this may be iatrogenic (doctor caused) for you. I certainly hope not. There is alot of information here we have all gathered, and you need to start taking advantage of it, to see if anything pops out at you so you can begin to get some relief.
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I am currently on 1000mg Gabapetin, 5mg of Lexapro, and 40mg Zegerid. I also take 2000IU of Vitamin D and 300mg ALA twice a day.
I have had several blood tests and Vitamin test. Ill give you the latest result. My Vitamin B12 644 Range 211-911 Folate Serum 9.6 Range >5.4 MAgnesium 2.0 Range 1.5-2.5 Iron Serum 130 Range 50-212 Vitamin B1 Plasma 6 Range 8-30 ITs low. I did fast night before so not sure if that threw anything off. They make a disclaimer on this test saying the total thiamine measured is reported however the biologically active form of the vitamin, thiamine diphosphate (TDP) is best measured in whole blood and is not found in measureable concentration of plasma. Plasma reflects recent intake rather then body stores. Vitamin B2 9 Range 5-50 Vitamin B6 35 Range 20-125 Vitamin D 24 Range 30-100 Zinc Serum/Plasm 84 Range 80-120 Hematology all normal Auto Diff all normal Glucose 75 Range 70-118 BUN 23 Range 8-26 Creatinine 1.1 Range .6-1.3 Bun/Creatine Ratio 21 Range 8-36 Sodium 141 Range 134-149 Potassium 4.3 Range 3.6-5.5 Cholride 103 Range 94-112 Carbon Dioxide 26 Range 21-32 Calcium 8.7 Range 8-10.4 Total Protein 7.7 Range 6.3-8.1 Albumin 4.2 Range 3.5-5.2 globulin 3.6 Range 2.0-4.8 a/g Ratio 1.2 Range .6-2.2 ALK phos 73 Range 40-128 ALT 35 Range 10-40 AST 24 Range 5-34 Bilirubin 1.6 .2-1.3 C Reactive PRotien .36 Range .1-.6 Anti -CCP 2.9 Rance 0-20 Urine Ph 5 Range 5-7.5 Glucose Neagtive Bilirubin Negative Blood Negative Portien Negative Urobilinogen .2 Range 0-2.0 Nitrite Neagative Leukocytes Negative SQ Eithelial cells negative Ketone Negative So my Vitamin B1 is slighly low but I am not sure how accurate plasma measured is. My vitamin D is low but not grossly low. I am taking Vitamin D 2000iu for last 2 months but Dr. Has written a script to take 50,000 IU for 6 weeks. My Bilirubin is high but its been high my whole life my brother has the same ever since I was a child. I have a bunch of other blood work done by the Rheumatologist to rule out lyme dieases, Lupus, and a bunch of other autoimmune diseases. I am in good health otherwise and eat a low fat low acid diet. I am normal body weight. Have normal blood pressure. This burning has consumed my life. I talked to 3 different Neurologist. One tells me get the epidural in my t spine, another tells me there’s nothing wrong with you because I don’t have numbness, pins and needsle or symptoms anywhere else on my body except upper back, sholders, and bottom of neck, and can’t explain my symptoms, and another says take more drugs Back surgeon say to get an epidural in my C6 cervical area. Maybe I have a visceral hypersensitivity in my esophagus and lexparo helped but why the burning in my back? And having that herniation in my Tspine leaves me with another question mark as most of my tests are all normal. Why is my back so damn sensitive? I also went to a dermatologist said my skin is fine, and game me a steroid cream to try for a week which did nothing. I am trying to make sense of all this for so long now. I just cant get an answer that makes sense. Please help me rule out neurological cause or pursue an area that makes sense. |
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Based on your testing:
I'd start Benfotiamine (a better form of B1)... this may help. This vitamin when low impacts carb metabolism, alcohol metabolism (not just ethanol) and nerve functions. Start at 2 a day for a month, and see what happens. If you respond well, continue for 3 months and you may be able to reduce to 1 a day after that. http://www.iherb.com/Doctor-s-Best-B...e-Caps/42?at=0 Do you drink alcohol alot? This can really irritate the throat in some people. The RX 50,000 IU D2 does not work. There are studies showing it doesn't. I have that information on my D thread I gave you, near the end of the thread. (it is new information). Purchase a D3 OTC of your choice and use that. Please read the D thread. Suggested doses daily are: 1000IU D3 for every 10 points you need to raise. Use the target of 50 for now, which is the new low normal level. That would be 3000 IU daily. I think the body handles daily use better than huge bolus doses infrequently. You can buy a 50,000 IU D3 if you want to use it weekly like the poor RX version. You can test that herniation in the back with ICE treatment. Put a Ice pack back there twice a day with a thin cloth to protect your skin. YOu know the location of the defect so that should help your placement. There are ganglia along the spine also and they can have virus or toxic damage to the cells, and send aberrant pain signals all over. Do the ice and see if those diminish. One virus that lives in those dorsal root ganglia is Herpes. Herpes Zoster especially. They can be active without progressing to full blown shingles. A blood test for both Herpes Simplex and Zoster can be done to show antibodies to them. High Zoster readings may indicate activity with this virus. Cold typically puts into sleep mode. Also high arginine intake can activate Zoster, so watch your food: The ratio of l-lysine to arginine is important for some people. If you eat high arginine content food, or take arginine in supplements, you may need l-lysine to balance it. http://www.herpes.com/Nutrition.shtml Your B2 is somewhat low... B2 is important for conversion of pyridoxine to active pyridoxal in the body, as it is a cofactor in that enzyme called pyridoxal kinase. The blood work for B6 does not separate this out ...so your B6 may be actually looking good, but be inactive. Taking a B-50 complex may help. Or you can take this... active form of B6 with B2 added: I'd suggest the P5P first. http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-P-5-P...blets/740?at=0 I'd take a methylB12 anyway....perhaps you would only need 1mg a day...on an empty stomach. Having a lower reading, would suggest higher, but you don't have a really low one. Did you have thyroid done? Thyroid issues, can press on nerves in the neck, and give all sorts of problems. I don't see thyroid panel in your list. Concerning your antidepressant lexapro. SSRI's have been shown to affect dopamine levels, as a side effect, in some people. This manifests with mouth, tongue and throat spasms. So watch for this effect. It typically can come on at 6mos or longer using the SSRI. And not everyone gets it. The lining of the throat,lungs and stomach are maintained by PEG1 cytokines. These are favored by Omega-3 fatty acids, and inflamed when Omega-6 are too high in the diet compared the the -3's. Taking some fish oil, or krill oil, may help you in maintaining that mucosa so it does not seem inflamed. 3 fish oil a day or 2 Krill oil, may help heal you up and improve the functions of the throat, esophagus, and stomach. I got rid of all my GERD with fish oil 10 yrs ago! Were you tested for H. pylori infection of the stomach? If not, I'd get that done. H.pylori can cause all sorts of grief/burning and PN symptoms. These are just ideas to start with. I would really stop smoking anything, at this point. And stop all alcohol...both activities can irritate the areas you have affected. I would also stop using all mouthwashes. Some contain triclosan, which can irritate people immensely! Same with toothpastes. NO triclosan... please read the labels carefully. If all this fails, you will have to consider gluten as a possible culprit. Many people can have a gluten intolerance and have PN and burning symptoms. Going gluten free is the only way to test this, yourself. There are blood tests, also, but you can see by going gluten free yourself.
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Do you drink alcohol alot? This can really irritate the throat in some people.
I Don’t drink any coffee or alochol You can test that herniation in the back with ICE treatment. Put a Ice pack back there twice a day with a thin cloth to protect your skin. YOu know the location of the defect so that should help your placement. There are ganglia along the spine also and they can have virus or toxic damage to the cells, and send aberrant pain signals all over. Do the ice and see if those diminish. One virus that lives in those dorsal root ganglia is Herpes. Herpes Zoster especially. They can be active without progressing to full blown shingles. A blood test for both Herpes Simplex and Zoster can be done to show antibodies to them. High Zoster readings may indicate activity with this virus. Cold typically puts into sleep mode. Also high arginine intake can activate Zoster, so watch your food: The ratio of l-lysine to arginine is important for some people. If you eat high arginine content food, or take arginine in supplements, you may need l-lysine to balance it. I have tried putting ice pack by my T-6-7 before and it feels good when its on there but when I take it off it seems to make me feel worse. Again I think my skin gets irrated and burns. I can have my doctor RX a blood test. Did you have thyroid done? Thyroid issues, can press on nerves in the neck, and give all sorts of problems. I don't see thyroid panel in your list. Yes I have had my thyroid check physically and with blood test and all is normal Concerning your antidepressant lexapro. SSRI's have been shown to affect dopamine levels, as a side effect, in some people. This manifests with mouth, tongue and throat spasms. So watch for this effect. It typically can come on at 6mos or longer using the SSRI. And not everyone gets it. I have only been taking for 3 weeks now as I've been switching back and forth between them. I dnt have any throat spasms. Again main complaint is back burning pain and the sSRI seemed to make chest burning which I had for 9 months go away. The lining of the throat,lungs and stomach are maintained by PEG1 cytokines. These are favored by Omega-3 fatty acids, and inflamed when Omega-6 are too high in the diet compared the the -3's. Taking some fish oil, or krill oil, may help you in maintaining that mucosa so it does not seem inflamed. 3 fish oil a day or 2 Krill oil, may help heal you up and improve the functions of the throat, esophagus, and stomach. I got rid of all my GERD with fish oil 10 yrs ago! I have issues with Fish Oil making my burp. My brother recommend this one as its supposed to be easy to digest with no nasty taste. drsearsfamilyessentials omega-3-dha-liquid Were you tested for H. pylori infection of the stomach? If not, I'd get that done. H.pylori can cause all sorts of grief/burning and PN symptoms. Yes, I had 2 full GI workups, Celiac, Stomach, Doludum, and Esphogus. Everything normal. I never have any issues with bowel movement or color/consistancy. I also have went on gluten free for 2 week 7 months ago. Didnt help. I also have had several food and enviromental allergy tests. All with no reaction to anything. I dont smoke and never have. I am going to get my aorta scanned today. Is there any other test for a possible vascular issue? Maybe something in my back or chest that is being restricted causing this pain? Thing is its on both sides of my body most of the time. ITs no specific to one part or side. |
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Well, two weeks on gluten free is not nearly long enough.
Usually people see some improvement if it is going to happen at 3-6mos. Many neuropathies can respond to supplements. So since you have no visible pathology with all those scopes, etc...you have to think on a cellular level. Your symptoms have changed character. I think this is due to all the mechanical irritation you endured. We've had posters here and at our old site who posted throat problems after intubation during surgeries, for example. Ganglionopathies at the dorsal root ganglia. This is a graph showing the distribution of a sensory issue: http://neuromuscular.wustl.edu/antibody/sneuron.html This list given is also helpful... of the various things that need to be ruled out. These may respond to lidoderm patches, which were originally made for Zoster neuropathy which occurs in those ganglia along the spine. You could try asking for them, and place at various locations along your upper back and neck along the spine, in order to find the right location. Follow directions carefully when using these if you get them on RX. When shingles activates, it follows nerve pathways and often appears along a specific area. I have mine down my right arm. Hubby has his along his chest area and back. In spring and fall for some reason Zoster seems to activate and we both get pain sometimes, still. Your herniation in the back may be another thing separate from your original problem. Try the supplements and see it they help. Krill oil has no aftertaste at all, the caps are much smaller, and is just like fish oil. The red color is a useful antioxidant. I use MegaRed. Autoimmune and viral triggers may be your culprit. But you didn't have any of the burning did you before you had all those tests? This new symptom came after? There are CNS problems that affect the neck. Most of them are dunning and frightening. Since you don't seem to have the dysphonia, or difficulty swallowing anymore, I don't think you have a major issue. You can always look at that later in time if you choose.
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How about the Alpha Lipoic Acid 300mg twice a day I am taking. ITs not time released and its not the R form. Is that ok? Also, will any of these vitamins interfere with my current meds? That P5p has magniesum in it. Do I really need the extra?
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