Read much of the above thread. Still not sure about P 5-P. Does my being a bit high in the B6 (54.1)( range 2.0 -32.8) have anything to do with not converting my B6. Does this mean that it would be good for me to take
P 5-P?
As always, thanks for your input.

(Gerry)

If you eat meat and other foods with pyridoxal/pyridoxine in them, you shouldn't need B6. It can be in your cereal, even.

If you test high, I would not use any unless you have symptoms of deficiency.

This link has deficiency symptoms:
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocente...ins/vitaminB6/

Kefir normalizes the bowel flora which may be damaged from
antibiotics and/or inflammation.

For women it can help female discomforts too, over time, like yogurt is supposed to do. That whole area "down there" is linked and improving the bowel flora improves all the membranes there.

I've eaten yogurt for years. It did nothing like Kefir did for me!

There are some medical sites claiming that 70% of human illness links to the GI tract and that restoring this balance is necessary for normal immune functions and nutrient absorption.

For general well being and improvement of nutrient absorption, I think Kefir is well worth it. It doesn't cost alot of money and tastes good if you get the flavored ones.

Is Kefir found in local grocery stores? I have had Cystocele surgery about three and half years ago and about two years ago had Rectocele surgery. The Rectocele is coming back and is in the early returning stages. Many problems in "those" areas.

Gerry

Their website should direct you.

We have it now at Kroger's and Costco here.
http://www.lifeway.net/

They have a coupon you can get once a month on that site too.

I've been doing my CE all month and today, I had PROBIOTICS!

How timely.

The kefir from Lifeway has about the same organisms as the
preferred product, VSL #3 which is recommended by doctors.

http://www.vsl3.com/

The Kefir has more strains than VSL#3 however, and is off by one of the strains (not included).

This is a short list of what they do:
from http://www.powerpak.com/course/content/108027
(not sure you can access this site, but I will put the link in anyway.)

BTW the inducing cytokines in the GI wall is beneficial.. they are protective. Cytokines elsewhere may be inflammatory. But in the GI tract they are a barrier to invasion.

All very good information! If I were to have the problem with B6, how would I go about finding out? Is there a test I can ask for or is there a certain kind of doctor who is more inclined to check this stuff out seriously? Most doctors I've talked to don't know anything about vitamins.

I've also noticed in the past couple of months (since I've stopped my vitamins completely) that my mouth is sore. Under the tongue, including THE spot where my wisdom tooth hole was. The wisdom area is white colored. The tongue feels burned or as if I have cankers but mostly at night. I have felt slight soreness on the roof of my mouth too. My gums have always gotten sore too - now and in the past. I always think I have gingivitis but the dentists never seem to see much of a problem except some recession.

My ideas about this are: reaction to elavil, causing dry mouth - although it's always better in the morning. One time I bit the pill in half and my whole tongue went numb immediately. I also have autoimmune and get very dry everywhere. So questioning addition of sjogren's.

Vitamin deficiency.

Mineral deficiency.

Basic nutritional problem.

I am going to make a dentist appt. next week, even though a couple of months ago I had my regular 6-month cleaning and had the mouth cancer check with the swish and glow light.

I started vitamins last week and every time I take vitamins (multi B) my feet get cold.

Yesterday and today I did something different. I only took methyl B12, Ester C and D3 yesterday, and then today I added zinc. My feet are not cold tonight and my mouth feels better. Can there be any link to the vitamin change that fast? (BTW in my whole history I have never taken a zinc vitamin - only multis).

One more thing, I do not believe I have a gut issue. I used to, and was told I had leaky gut by someone who did a finger prick, and I started morning shakes with fiber and took L-glutamine and I swear it fixed it. My stomach seems very good to me. Can I have an absorption problem without an obvious gut issue?

I'm going to try to resurrect this old thread in hopes of finding out from Geraldine whether eliminating all B vitamins except B12 continued to yield positive results. Geraldine, if you are still around, did you keep up the experiment with B vitamins and/or discover anything else about how they influence your PN?

I have this theory that possibly too much B12 might even cause PN, though I have been afraid to test it out. But it wasn't until the early 1980s that researchers discovered B6 toxicity. I am wondering whether elevated B12 could have a similar effect that has yet to be discovered.

you can grow your own if you are not a negligent mother like me

i was given a baby kefir which looks like a dried out bit of cauliflower.
it sits in milke and growns and once a day you tip off the milk and drink/ put on cereal or whatever

it is ages since i had my plant so the finer details of it i forget.

i made mine with skim milk powder mixed in water.
worked for me . it is sort of an aquired taste and i liked it... but got forgetful of the plants welfare.

when the plant grows to a certain size you can take off bits and give to friends. i know of some that were posted from here in australia to the USA and survived the trip and customs inspections.
that was 10 years ago

you can buy the baby at a health food store i am told

good stuff

DD

Vitamin C is essential to oral health. Without it the gums bleed and the mucosa does not restore as fast.

Much of scurvy (lack of Vit C), is loss of teeth!

Sore white areas of the mouth might be thrush (Candida). Should have a doctor look at that. Thrush in the mouth is a signal that most likely it is in the entire GI tract as well.
It can come from poor immune function, or after the use of
antibiotics. People with poor sugar control also get it.