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Old 08-19-2013, 11:17 AM #21
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I am only relating what is stated in
The book I referenced. I did not write
The history myself. The bibliography in
This book is 80 pages long! You are welcome to
buy or borrow the book for your own purposes and
Read further.

The splenectomies were done for the erroneous belief
In splenic anemia. These surgeries are still done for
Some uncommon other reasons today but back then
Were done for common anemias.
Drawing Blood, the book, appears to be
On google books. I can't link on this iPhone
But I think you can find it easily .
I used splenic anemia William mayo history
As a keyword phrase.
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I only see Dr. William Mayo's name mentioned once on page 49 of that book. This was under "The Rise and Fall of Speenic Anemia". There were many physicians before and after him. By the 1930's spleenic anemia was seldom mentioned.

http://books.google.com/books?id=XAu...0blood&f=false

Scroll down to #2.
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Do you know if there were several Dr. Mayo's? I seem to recall that when I went there, one of the doctors who DX'd me in the late 80's was a Doc. Mayo. Now I am curious. ginnie
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Ginnie, we are talking about history
Back in the early 1900's.

In my edition of this book, page 60
Has a lot of detail, and surprising to
Me many subsequent pages. I am
Still in chapter 4 which is the pernicious
Anemia history, and Mayo was removing
Spleens for that too. I am reading another book
Called The Forest and trading back and forth.

We have no TV here. So I tend to read a lot.

The bibliography details many medical
Papers at that time of the continuing
Arguments between radical surgeries (at
Mayo) and other doctors who believed
These surgeries were fatal and unnecessary .

One needs to really read in context because the rise in
Abdominal surgeries was the real problem at that time
And lead to unnecessary suffering and death.
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Ginnie, we are talking about history
Back in the early 1900's.

In my edition of this book, page 60
Has a lot of detail, and surprising to
Me many subsequent pages. I am
Still in chapter 4 which is the pernicious
Anemia history, and Mayo was removing
Spleens for that too. I am reading another book
Called The Forest and trading back and forth.

We have no TV here. So I tend to read a lot.

The bibliography details many medical
Papers at that time of the continuing
Arguments between radical surgeries (at
Mayo) and other doctors who believed
These surgeries were fatal and unnecessary .

One needs to really read in context because the rise in
Abdominal surgeries was the real problem at that time
And lead to unnecessary suffering and death.
There was a psychiatrist at a mental hospital in North Jersey that believed mental illness was caused by infection. This was the early twentieth century. He began by removing teeth, then proceeded to more involved abdominal surgeries. He had a 30% death rate, and of course he did not have a single cure, but was allowed to continue for 30 years. It was truly a barbaric time.
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The 19th C. was really an explosive time of learning & new knowledge in medicine as well as other fields, due in part to the industrial revolution. Sadly, many of the advances in surgery (in any century) have come out of wars & battlefield surgery. I'm thinking of Civil War surgery in this case. [WARNING: Graphic descriptions and photos may be unsettling to some.]

This whole topic (19th C. medical history) is fascinating, but it's also kind of OT. Should it be moved to another thread/forum?

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Mecury? I read this:


first off do NOT take alpha lipoic acid if you have mercury Amalgam fillings in your teeth. it will leach the mercury into your system.


Anyone heard of this??? scary.

Also have you ever heard of Dr. Schulze 's nerve tonic ?

It's all in this link:

http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1339030
Thanks for this! I took alphalipic acid capsules few yrs ago, they gave me severe burning pains in stomach "heartburn " I guess. Was also taking advil everyday dont know if this was contributing to the problem. Was so bad I had to stop taking!
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I've been reading that alpha lipoic acid is contraindicated for people taking Synthroid aka levothyroxine. But the pill identification/bad combinations site I've been using for years doesn't list them as incompatible. Anyone have any thoughts?
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There was one study done on animals a while back (maybe a decade or so) that cautioned about ALA and thyroid medications. Seems the rabbits (I think it was rabbits) could not convert T4 well to T3 when given high dose ALA. But that study has never been replicated or expanded or tested out in humans.

Rodent studies are only at best 60% applicable to humans. Their physiology is quite different from ours, and their dietary requirements very different also.

This was the paper... note the date... I read at another site at one point that the animals were rabbits...but I might be mistaken.
This paper is from 1991... and I'd expect someone would have tried to replicate, or prove it valid since then:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1815532

Lipoic acid didn't affect my thyroid supplementation at all. That is only my experience.
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I am taking one 100 mg Stabilized R-Lipoic Acid capsule daily. I also take a synthroid tablet every a.m. Have not had any problem with the reading of my throid blood test I get every 4 -5 months. All is in the normal range.

Did find out the generic for Synthroid is not advisable. Tho ingredients are the same, the amounts are not. My Endocrinoligist originally had prescribed the Levthyroxine. Eventually, he felt this would need to be increased since blood work indicated a problem. I informed my doctor about what I had read and asked him to prescribed the Synthroid (Brand Only) for a few months. He agreed and we did another blood test after three months. This was about 4 years ago. I did not need to increase and am on the same doseage. I will use only Synthroid...No Substitution.


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