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Old 08-17-2013, 06:26 PM #1
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Default Danger of Alpha lipoic Acid

Mecury? I read this:


first off do NOT take alpha lipoic acid if you have mercury Amalgam fillings in your teeth. it will leach the mercury into your system.


Anyone heard of this??? scary.

Also have you ever heard of Dr. Schulze 's nerve tonic ?

It's all in this link:

http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1339030
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I will look into this. Thanks for the tip. I do take that vitamin and I do have those fillings. What next.....ginnie
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I was also warned not to use ALA with mercury amalgam fillings
mainly because it can cross the BBB so any mercury it chelates could enter CNS?
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I don't know how these things get started. As always, consider the sources quoted. Most of what I see are fear-mongering posts to other message boards referencing yet other message boards, etc. with very little/no credible supporting documentation. I find no studies that back up the claim.

In a review of literature (which can also be found on PubMed) I find exactly the opposite:

Mercury Toxicity and Antioxidants:
Part I: Role of Glutathione and alpha-Lipoic
Acid in the Treatment of Mercury Toxicity

(See page 7/16 of the pdf)

They're using ALA to remove mercury from the brain (which is part of the CNS) and other organs.

Even in some of the questionable sites, when I read far enough, they are talking about amounts of ALA much higher than those we are using here.

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We have another discussion about this here.

Please use the search function to find it.

You can also try the PubMed link at the top
of the page. Use thiotic acid with the word mercury
There as well as lipoic acid, as thiotic acid is the
Alternate name often used in scientific papers.

Some lay sites are not reliable and paraphrase others
Sometimes incorrectly. Another good reference is
Linus Pauling institute at Oregon university.

I am on an iPhone and typing is difficult and I don't know
how to copy links yet.

If you search lipoic acid here you will find other discussions
about this topic.
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Respectfully, It was my highly respected PHYSICIANS who cautioned me not to use ALA

I was told it is a potent mercury chelator and yes, therefore can remove mercury, but because I had high mercury levels (tested) he advised I use chlorella instead because the ALA can cross the BBB and so in doing it's job of chelating mercury, could actually aid in carrying more in.
I was told that once the testing showed my levels sufficiently down, the ALA could be used to mop up any more but I decided not to use it.
Later testing showed the chlorella had done an excellent job!

My "source" was my physician, as well as my dentist, as well as another health professional, not a "fear mongering post to a message board"! I decided to follow *their professional advice*.

Last I checked, NeuroTalk was a place where everyone was free to express their opinion, and especially their personal experience.




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I don't know how these things get started. As always, consider the sources quoted. Most of what I see are fear-mongering posts to other message boards referencing yet other message boards, etc. with very little/no credible supporting documentation. I find no studies that back up the claim.

In a review of literature (which can also be found on PubMed) I find exactly the opposite:

Mercury Toxicity and Antioxidants:
Part I: Role of Glutathione and alpha-Lipoic
Acid in the Treatment of Mercury Toxicity

(See page 7/16 of the pdf)

They're using ALA to remove mercury from the brain (which is part of the CNS) and other organs.

Even in some of the questionable sites, when I read far enough, they are talking about amounts of ALA much higher than those we are using here.

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I don't know who is right and who is wrong but I figure we all owe it to ourself to make informed decisions.

I have found there is a little truth to every side of the story with both sides making a whole picture.

And I don't disregard other peoples opinions based on where they are posting, real people are usually more honest than a group, or dr, or survery, or study.

In any case, I just thought I would share it, makes no diff to me which side of the fence you fall on as long as you take the time to be informed.

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Respectfully, It was my highly respected PHYSICIANS who cautioned me not to use ALA
Respectfully, nothing I said was directed personally. First, I was responding in general -- not to your OP in particular. Second, you didn't mention that in your OP.

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I was told it is a potent mercury chelator and yes, therefore can remove mercury, but because I had high mercury levels (tested) he advised I use chlorella instead because the ALA can cross the BBB and so in doing it's job of chelating mercury, could actually aid in carrying more in.
Were you told that was fact or theory, because I just had the same discussion with my dentist and doctor about 2 weeks ago because of the various supplements & meds I'm on, and they both said that was a theory, but that there were no studies supporting it.

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I decided to follow *their professional advice*.
What can I say? I'm a child of the sixties; I was taught by loving, educated, saavy parents, teachers, and mentors to question everything -- especially "authority". My doctors have never had a problem with that (the ones I've kept, anyway -- in fact, they've commended it, especially when it comes to things gleaned from the internet).

They and I know they've been mistaken before (I've learned from experience and reading others' posts here on NT that medical professionals can be in error and/or disagree on various things), and I wanted to get to the bottom of it myself. So in answering Stacy, I spent about 3-1/2 hours online trying to track down the science, and the links I provided were the best I could find. There may be more -- I don't know. They were the best I could find. Most of what I saw was as I stated. Take a look.
alpha lipoic acid mercury fillings
Of the 10 hits on the first page, 9 link to other discussion forums and blogs, and the tenth links here. Obviously I went much farther than that, but for the most part, results reflected what is IMO, unsupported fear mongering, often going around in circles. That's one reason a lot of doctors don't like and/or won't except information garnered online. Every medical professional I've ever known has said as much, and I understand their point.
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Sorry if our sources conflict. That happens sometimes, and as you say....

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Last I checked, NeuroTalk was a place where everyone was free to express their opinion, and especially their personal experience.
I agree, and that's what I did -- express my opinion based on my online search. I reported what I found, and acknowledged the sites that bothered to put things into perspective by specifying the amounts of ALA they were talking about (the concensus of what I found was less than 200 mg/day of RLA is ok; more than that isn't.)

I stand by my statement to consider sources.
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Thank you, that's exactly what I meant. As always, it includes me, and I have said as much many times. IMO, respected sources & studies outweigh unsupported claims and heresay.

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Mecury? I read this:


first off do NOT take alpha lipoic acid if you have mercury Amalgam fillings in your teeth. it will leach the mercury into your system.


Anyone heard of this??? scary.

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Thanks for this! I took alphalipic acid capsules few yrs ago, they gave me severe burning pains in stomach "heartburn " I guess. Was also taking advil everyday dont know if this was contributing to the problem. Was so bad I had to stop taking!
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I've been reading that alpha lipoic acid is contraindicated for people taking Synthroid aka levothyroxine. But the pill identification/bad combinations site I've been using for years doesn't list them as incompatible. Anyone have any thoughts?
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