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Old 11-25-2013, 07:30 AM #1
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Your problem may be the Zoloft. That is a high dose.

SSRIs...over time, increase serotonin activity in the body. Over 90% of the drug works in the body, and only 10% in the brain.
High serotonin levels do all sorts of things. They cause flushing, and tingling in the skin. (some opiates do this too (itching), because they stimulate serotonin release in addition to their pain actions).

http://www.aafp.org/afp/2003/0915/p1135.html
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Serotonin appears to be a key component of the pruritus that occurs with several diseases, including polycythemia vera, uremia, cholestasis and lymphoma, and of morphine-associated pruritus. Serotonin inhibitors such as cyproheptadine (Periactin), pizotifen, paroxetine (Paxil), and ondansetron (Zofran) have proved effective in treating several of these pruritic conditions.2
I don't understand Paxil on this list, but cyproheptadine is available in US for use. Pizotifen is not available in US... but I believe it is in Canada. Dr. Jay Cohen, MD who we link to alot here uses it for blocking his erythromelalgia symptoms (in his feet). He mentions on his site getting his from Canada.

Some people who take SSRI drugs for a long time, develop an imbalance of the dopamine. This neurotransmitter may become less available, and when it does, it causes leg cramping and cramping everywhere and muscle twitching. Your concerns about Parkinson's is accurate because that disease is a lowering of dopamine actions too.
This link explains the spasms and other symptoms including itching ..
http://www.drmurphreestore.com/newsl...singtruth.html

I'd discuss with your doctor, tapering off the Zoloft for now. You might be very surprised at how miserable that drug can be.

For now you can try the Morton's Epsom Lotion... Appy to the areas you get the cramping/twitching. It is available at WalMart and Walgreen's locally and also online at Amazon. WalMart's price is amazingly low too.

Do you know you are anemic? I would only use iron if your testing at the doctor's is low. Taking iron when a person is not anemic can lead to heart damage.

I would not raise potassium artificially with supplements. OTC supplements have a maximum allowable amount of 99mg /tablet.
Food sources are safer. Many foods provide good potassium amounts. one V8 juice has 800mg per can. The low sodium has over 1000mg per can!

This link gives potassium content for foods so you can check your diet and see what you are getting. 4500mg is the new daily goal.
This is a sample page for edamame beans. These are precooked and frozen, inexpensive and very good.
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/...roducts/9873/2
potassium =676mg
Some frozen veggies now come with them added in a mixture.
I use a Steamer version that has a mix of black beans, edamame, carrots and peas. You can buy them alone...as well, and you just defrost them. Throwing them in boiling water for a minute or two. Then shell them. They make a good snack too. They have a unique butter nutty flavor.
Another good source is pepitas (pumpkin seeds)
Now this serving size on this page is huge...you don't need to
eat that much of course...but see they are good sources of
potassium and magnesium:
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/...roducts/3164/2
When you want a snack reach for these rather than pretzels which are empty of anything useful (empty carb calories). We found pepitas at our super Walmart recently...very affordable but made in China which was concerning. Most healthfood places have pumpkin seeds too. I also eat unsalted cashews, which we find at Costco for savings.
This is the page for unsalted cashews:
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/...roducts/3094/2
One has to pay attention at NutritionData to the serving sizes they post...some are really huge. But you get the idea anyway.

I think if you get off the SSRI Zoloft, things will improve for you.

main website:
http://nutritiondata.self.com/
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Old 11-25-2013, 01:43 PM #2
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Oh goodness. That's hard to read. I have been on it since my children were born. At least 18 years. And I swore I never wanted to feel that terrible feeling of severe depression again. However, it all makes so much sense to me now since I recently got a positive test result for the MTHFR c677t mutation. My pregancies were hard as well as post pardon. I will taper down though on the zoloft.

Yes, I am anemic. Cannot go without iron tablets or I plummet down.

But one more thing, do you think I need to supplement with magnesium and
D ribose (? spelling) for the potassium since potassium is required for the protocol? I take the magnesium baths. And I eat a great amount of potassium along with the supplements. So no potassium supplements? Food only? And one more thing, while tapering down on the zoloft should I expect a diminish in the twitching after a few weeks or few months? Thanks again. K
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Oh goodness. That's hard to read. I have been on it since my children were born. At least 18 years. And I swore I never wanted to feel that terrible feeling of severe depression again. However, it all makes so much sense to me now since I recently got a positive test result for the MTHFR c677t mutation. My pregancies were hard as well as post pardon. I will taper down though on the zoloft.

Yes, I am anemic. Cannot go without iron tablets or I plummet down.

But one more thing, do you think I need to supplement with magnesium and
D ribose (? spelling) for the potassium since potassium is required for the protocol?
I take the magnesium baths. And I eat a great amount of potassium along with the supplements. So no potassium supplements? Food only? And one more thing, while tapering down on the zoloft should I expect a diminish in the twitching after a few weeks or few months? Thanks again. K
I am not sure about this question. I am going to send you a private message, so look for that.

People vary in their ease or difficulty with SSRI withdrawal. So it is hard to predict. Some people use l-tryptophan to help, as this bumps up serotonin synthesis. When the SSRI goes, the serotonin in the synapse goes. This is the withdrawal thing. When serotonin is always in the synapse, the cell stops making it. So when you discontinue, then there is a lull when the cells have to "wake up" and make it again. The l-tryptophan helps with this transition. But you cannot really use it when you still are on the SSRI... because there is a risk of serotonin syndrome. It is mostly for when you reach the end of your taper. Some doctors know about this trick and others not.

Whether your body is quick in fixing the dopamine lack, is also not predictable. But we have had posters here who felt much better with spasms, after getting off the SSRI.
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Hello Mrs. D,
I was trying to send you a PM but I am able to send it. Maybe because I am not a "registered member". There is no send message on my page or yours for me to utilize. K
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Hit reply to the mail I sent you... it may go thru that way.
I can send to you because I am a moderator. I can't do all things here, just some...

Otherwise we wait until you pass into regular posting status. It won't be long now. It is not that urgent anyway. What I will tell you in PM is not urgent..just important overall.

Just be careful tapering down off that Zoloft. Go slowly. Most doctors taper patients too fast. Drop the first 50mg for the first 2 weeks...and see what happens. If that is too fast you may have to do 25mg every 2 to 3 weeks. Tell your doctor and see if he can help... that is always a toss up with SSRIs though.
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