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You hit the nail on the head. What do you think it would do to the pharm industry if people found medicine they could use or grow, instead of all the narcotics and other meds we take? Of course they are behind the push to stop this from becoming law. I have been involved in campaigning for this issue, and believe me the pharm industry is involved up to their ears. If this passes as law to allow MM, don't think this pharm industry would not get involved, they would in any way they could make money.
MM isn't legal in my state either. I may move to a legal location if we can't get this passed in florida. MM works for PN. ginnie
I was thinking the same thing. They will probably end up being first in line to open dispensaries for MM. I really hope not, they will screw it all up.

My daughter is currently moving to New Jersey. I wish I could say I lived with her and get the MM there. I'm thinking I could get some with more CBD from an actual dispensary.

I truly would just like to try to use some with high CBD. I'm hearing such great things about it.
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I agree with everything you said. There is no real regulation, and just who will be the ones to examine potency and all the rest of the issues?. My plan would be to avoid the whole industry, get seed and grow my own. It has been around since ancient times. 6 brothers out in Colorado have strains missing THC, and I have a vaporizer. I would try to contact their business out there. All depends on this states legal status come Nov. I won't stay here in this state, if it should not pass. I am too old to wait around while they get their act together. Too old for jail too! This has worked for me, and I avoid the opiates and other anti inflamitory drugs. My kidneys show signs of an elevated component as of this last month. So I was taken off all medications now for the sake of my kidneys. Now what do I do when my joints are the size of easter eggs? I am really stuck now, not being able to take the pharmacy given drugs I need. I really ache now, and am rather ticked off about it too! Pain is awful to live with for all of us. Maybe go back to Jamaica, sell my house, rent it out, I just don't know. ginnie
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No withdrawing from MM either.
Folks should be aware that that's not always the case with long-term/habitual use.

marijuana withdrawal

For pain patients, it may be a non-issue, as most prescription pain medications produce dependence and have the potential for abuse.

As to severity; I hesitate to address that, as everyone is different, but I have a feeling it may come up. It has been compared most often to smoking/nicotine withdrawal.

marijuana withdrawal as bad as

From what I have read so far, medical use is no different than recreational use in this respect, nor is smoking different than other methods of ingestion. Exceptions: agenda-biased sources.

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Ok, we're missing a connection here; that doesn't answer the questions of "How?"
How are doses measured? I am a consumer, an end user. You would need to contact these companies directly for the details on that. Same goes with any vitamin on the market. How can you really be sure you are getting 10MG? I can say that the CBD dose that I take seems to be consistent and relieves my NP.

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Along with the higher competition that lowers prices (this is still a "for-profit" business for the most part) comes cost-cutting measures and corner-cutting.
Yes, as with most things. And just as natural products are not regulated by the FDA, neither is MMJ. I think that has already been established. It is up to the patient to make their own best-informed decisions for all matters regarding their care.

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It's not like prescription drugs at all. With prescription drugs—pain medications in particular—patients don't generally adjust their own dosage—doctors do, based on accumulated knowledge & experience that isn't yet available with MM.
If your neuropathy is consistent, then you may not adjust your dosages but many others experience frequent flair-ups, waxing and waning and completely inconsistent if not erratic symptoms that are all over the board. And we keep an arsenal of weapons for break-thru pain and yes we do adjust medication dosages accordingly.

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Putting all that together, there's a lot to question/be skeptical about, especially when the image the industry portrays is one like this:
http://www.caregiverscup.com/
Their hearts may be in the right places, but would you buy medicine from—and/or trust your health to—this image? Are you?
I do not know who those people are but from the article, it appears they grow a strain that is effective for nausea. Good for them! If I suffered from extreme nausea and tried every drug without success, why wouldn't I try their strain of MMJ? Because the growers look like potheads?

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These questions/issues were recently the subject of an NPR report (among others).
Marijuana-Laced Treats Leave Colorado Jonesing For Food-Safety Rules

I think they concern many doctors as well.

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Also of concern to doctors: http://www.thestarpress.com/article/...WS06/140520011

Fortunately, the overdose from a pot brownie would be along the lines of a long nap whereas prescription overdoses frequently result in death.

I am not a doctor, grower or caregiver. I am a sufferer of PN who has tried everything under the sun with the potential to help and out of nothing less that absolute desperation, I tried CBD and it gave me my life back. Ultimately, we all have to make our own best decisions and take responsibility for our own care.
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My plan would be to avoid the whole industry, get seed and grow my own.
Many people are doing that here.

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6 brothers out in Colorado have strains missing THC, and I have a vaporizer. I would try to contact their business out there. All depends on this states legal status come Nov.
The Stanley brothers developed the high CBD strain called Charlotte's Web that has helped so many people. Not sure if I can post the link but if you look up Realm of Caring in Colorado Springs, you can check out their website.

I am really sorry to hear about your kidneys Ginnie. Hang in there!
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I was thinking the same thing. They will probably end up being first in line to open dispensaries for MM. I really hope not, they will screw it all up.
^^ Exactly!!!
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Thanks Beatle. Yes the kidneys are showing some stress. I am off all meds. at this point other than blood pressure. I am going to have to do something for pain and the PN. This is crazy, can't take the meds. and there seems to be no option. Maybe I could handle the pain if it were just in one place, but it isn't. It is in many of my joints. Having a regular hissy fit right now and plan to soak in the tub and sulk. Glad I have you and doc and this gang on NT to vent to. Jamaica sounds real good about now. ginnie
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According to statistics recently released by the government in Denver, the amount of robberies and violent crimes significantly decreased since marijuana legalization went into effect. It is important to mention that this strong correlation is not definitive proof that legalization is the cause of this drop in crime, but it does strongly suggest that this is the case.

These statistics are especially convincing considering the short amount of time that this drastic reduction in crime has taken place. In just one short year the number of homicides dropped by 52.9%. Sexual assaults were reduced by 13.6%. Robberies were down by 4.8% and assaults were down by 3.7%.

The statistics measured the first few months of the year for both 2013 and 2014, and then compared those numbers with one another to determine whether they were higher or lower after legalization went into effect.

There are many different factors contributing to this drop in crime, and it is likely that marijuana legalization is a very big piece of the puzzle. Legalization has had a profound impact on local economies, and has created a large boom in new residents who have moved to the area to flee persecution. This increase in prosperity surely has some effect on the amount of robberies and burglaries that have taken place.

Additionally, marijuana is traditionally known to mellow people out and calm them down, making them far less likely to act out in anger or plan a murder.

One final possibility that comes to mind is the fact that possibly, police resources are being diverted towards serious crimes instead of nonviolent offenses. Unfortunately, they are still writing plenty of fines and locking up plenty of people for nonviolent offenses, but marijuana smokers and traders have been one of the largest group of persecuted nonviolent offenders for a very long time.

See the UCR Citywide Report


Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/den...FX3pj3HAxcV.99

The above is copied and pasted from a page sent by friend in Denver where I lived over two decades. Thought you all might find it of interest.
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Beatle, thank you for sharing your personal observations, the potential of CBD and MMJ is fascinating to me. I'm glad you've found something that has given you relief.
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Thanks Beatle. Yes the kidneys are showing some stress. I am off all meds. at this point other than blood pressure. I am going to have to do something for pain and the PN. This is crazy, can't take the meds. and there seems to be no option. Maybe I could handle the pain if it were just in one place, but it isn't. It is in many of my joints. Having a regular hissy fit right now and plan to soak in the tub and sulk. Glad I have you and doc and this gang on NT to vent to. Jamaica sounds real good about now. ginnie
Ginnie, has your doctor offered any alternatives for the NP such as something topical? Untreated PN is barbaric!
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