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Old 05-31-2007, 03:36 PM #1
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Default Amyloid on lip biopsy any one?

I had a labial salivary gland biopsy done and read a while back. It was read as having 'periductal inflammation consistent with Sjogren's'. It was read by a large well known midwest referral institution. It was then later read by an other pathologist and rheumatologist in a nearby state, who said it was not typical of Sjogren's. I was told by letter, from these people that there was indeed something 'wrong' but it did not stem from that abnormal biopsy read as Sjogren's, and I would not get any treatment for autoimmune disease.

Subsequently, my new neuro, went with a diagnosis of autoimmune autonomic neuropathy (with potential seronegative sjogrens) based on European Criteria for Sjogrens, IVIG for 6 months and 16 weeks of IV methlypred via PICC...(omg--do not recommend---I was his only patient that lost 20# on it). It did not affect the course of my disease or my measurements on autonomic tests, as far as improvement goes...now maybe, it made it progress slower, but that is hard to say.

I now read that they are finding amyloidosis on labial gland biopsy and sicca syndrome has some association with amyloidosis. Hmm. I have continued to decline, and when I went and reread my echocardiogram results saw that not just my mitral was regurging, but now also my tricuspid. While they said the mitral was at 2+ with a substantial central jet, the tricuspid is still mild. I still have an acceptable ejection fraction at 55%, with no ventricular hypertrophy as of 3 years ago. MY SOB and presyncope is due to the hypotension that comes with the AN.

Next is a fat aspiration and a skin biopsy of some suspicious lesions in the near future ....and now my neuro wants to see those labial gland slides, which are now over 7 years old, if I can locate them.

You think they would have stained them or examined them for amyloid back then when they did them. Now I hope they still have them. Now I was not diagnosed with PN when I had those done, but that was due to the doctors I had back then just not doing the right tests....I can tell you I had umpteen tests for carpal tunnel in the years they cared for me...I finally got new doctors when I started to have autonomic troubles, but even then it took an additional 3 years to get the small fiber diagnosis and the subsequent autonomic and sensory neuropathy diagnosis.

Have any PNers had salivary gland lip biopsies and run into this situation? I am wondering if they can still identify amyloid on old slides by electron microscopy? The neuro says no repeat on the lip biopsy as they are too painful and would not be worth it. (Fine with me) I remain seronegative on all autoimmune test, even the very highly specialized neuro antibodies, celiac disease, etc. Positive PET scan in one area, being 'watched'...if you PM me I will talk more, but, don't want my whole medical history on here. Don't know if amyloid shows up on PET.
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