Is there a good source for kratom that someone could recommend/provide a link to?

Check your messages. I'll pass on what was sent to me.

Thanks! :)

I just put in an order as well. Getting a sampler pack. Will be back to update.

I'm renewing my interest in Kratom and find this thread very informative. Everyone still taking it that are mentioned here? I'm looking for a strain to calm overall pain and an uplifting in my being. Some other friends on another group are talking about it...thanks all. C

I have not tried it yet, but
 

I had gathered information from a RLS forum I was on before I knew I had PN. Many posters there use Kratom. The consensus was:

"Red Borneo powdered leaf variety seems to have the highest pain-killing and sedating properties. In general the red vein varieties are best for evening, green and white are generally better for daytime."

also, which might be of interest;
Kratom works within a half an hour if dissolved in orange juice first first, and let it sit for twenty minutes. Kratom is not water soluble, but does dissolve in acid: hence the use of orange juice.

I must reiterate that this information is not from personal experience but I do plan on using it if and when I order this.:)

From a Devil's advocate standpoint. It can be a counterintuitive form of therapy. Something to consider as well....
http://www.vocativ.com/culture/socie...s-wonder-drug/

It is so weird (and entertaining) reading articles that source from websites. Some of the quotes had me laughing, perhaps inappropriately.

I think the moral of the story is that people react to drugs and even foods differently and if you don't know the source of your product, well, who is to say it is what they claim it is.

I may try Kratom at some point if things get haywire enough, though I am truly hoping that I will get approval for regulated mmj.

I hope that anyone who tries this product out doesn't have the Shaq experience.

Jon

Caroline, I've been using kratom for over a year and have nothing but good to say about it. It's available from many online vendors in various strains. I personally don't find much qualitative differences among those, only that some are stronger than others.

If you'd like recommendations for good vendors please feel free to send me a PM.

Also in re the link to that website article... there has been and doubtless will continue to be lots of sensationalistic media commentary about this rather simple herbal remedy. I would take it all with a huge grain of salt (i.e. in re the anecdotes about its effect on sex or anything else) and urge people just to try it. When purchased from a reputable vendor (I'd extend the PM rec offer to anyone reading this) it's perfectly safe and not nearly as expensive as MM or to be sure many prescription meds. Once you give it a shot you can decide for yourself.

Thanks I'm not on FB so can't go there to read. Tried to join an online Kratom group and was having trouble registering. That happens too often...So I give up. Since one can't talk to vendors, it seems, a starting dose would be 1/2 tsp or less a few times a day. This is MOSTLY for overall pain. I'll PM later.

Well, I did it, ordered 2 oz of a red Kratom and should have it by early next week. We'll see how that works with chronic MEDIUM pain. I'd appreciate LOW pain.

Best wishes on positive results, Caroline.

The first small sample I got was Red Indo that did indeed help the pain and had a sedating effect. When it was time to re-order, though, I went with another vendor who was more mainstream and well-reviewed, and got their Red Indo.
I used the new stuff twice, and both times, I had trouble getting asleep. I need to try it again just in case there was something else going on causing the sleep issues.

That aside, I do think it helps with pain nicely.

I'm going to start with 1/4 tsp a couple times per day and NOT take any late in day. I sleep good now with my sleep combo, and don't want to mess that up. I bought from Amazing Kratom. A nice shift would be appreciated.

I forgot to ask IF Kratom is constipating. One member on the other group said yes somewhat but not like opiates!!! Have you who take it here found it constipating. I was concerned about elevating BP and forgot about the constipation side of things. That's what I don't need. I work hard as it is to keep things moving good. Thanks.

Caroline,

Here is a good site which seems to be one of the few which addresses the few side effects in a matter-of-fact way.

http://ensobotanicals.com/kratom-side-effects/

Dave.

Ok, a few general notes from someone who's tried most of the strains (there are sub-varieties of the main red-green-white strains that are mainly marketing imo).

1. Reds are more sedating than greens, which are in turn more sedating than whites -- true, more or less; but this is very individualistic, and even changes over time... with me at least.

2. Kratom is constipating -- true; no way to avoid this in my experience; whether it's more so than pharmaceutical opiods is open to debate.

3. Kratom causes insomnia -- true for me; sometimes the reds less so than the greens and whites, but I haven't found a way to avoid it except to limit your intake to earlier in the day and/or go with whatever other sleep aids you like (e.g. 3 mg of Melatonin) I should add that my brother is also a kratom user and reports no insomnia issues.

As always I'm available via PM for anything else I can tell anyone.

Oh, this is going to be a game changer for me thinking about this more. I can't or won't take a chance on backing up. Been there and very painful. So wish I had thought of this before I ordered but I'll consider using some in my topicals and mix it in and rub on joints. Good thing I didn't spend a lot. I have some tylenol 3 that I can't take so break these up in my topicals and same for Mobic which I can't take. Too bad. Thanks all. C

Hi Janieg,

I'm considering getting some to treat my SFN pain. If you don't mind sharing how does one ingest it?

Thank you,

Cliffman :)

Cliffman, please rethink this for yourself.

Anyone using a blood thinner has to be very careful about
plant derived extracts. It is unlikely that Kratom was studied by the drug companies that make the various blood thinners.

I would venture if you even asked your Doctor, you'd get a negative response. Kratom is not well known in the medical community.

Too many "unknowns" for you to consider, IMO. You are still in a rather fragile medical state, following your stents.

I did buy some and am not taking internally...when I heard could cause constipation...forget it...I don't need that extra pain in the B..... I pour a little in some of my topicals.

Thanks for the advice MrsD...I got so caught up in idea of pain control that I completely blocked out any thoughts of my heart. You're right, under my circumstances it's probably not a good idea.

All the best,

Cliffman :hug:

Hi Caroline,

is it helping to use it with some topicals?

Cliffman :)

Article in the NYT (1/3/16). It is addictive....and expensive. Article noted some users going on (or back) to heroin, because it is much cheaper. Batches are highly variable, and, of course, not tested for purity. Maybe cheaper, safer and easier to go to prescribed opiates if this level of pain relief is necessary.

Kratom seems too risky to try.

I've done some research, and that's my conclusion:

1) suppliers aren't monitored or held accountable.

2) there is no guarantee of consistency in the product you receive over time.

3) there have been no large studies done to even show safety for a bunch of 'regular' people, and most of us have immune systems which are NOT regular.

This is just my opinion, of course.

Here's the NYT on the subject:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/03/us...e=sectionfront

Hugs, ElaineD

And everyone is entitled to theirs of course, Elaine. If you or anyone else is afraid of kratom then don't try it. But at a minimum I'd recommend educating yourself beyond, as one poster mentioned, a single article in a newspaper.

It's true that there hasn't been enough testing, especially by comparison with other herbs, etc. That said, the reputable vendors I've been dealing with regularly send batches of product to labs for analysis and would, if asked, be happy to share those results I'm sure. If they aren't, stay away from them.

Addictive? Perhaps. But no more so and probably less than opiods and Benzos. Again this is my opinion based on about 15 months of usage and conversations online with dozens of others.

Expensive? It costs me about 50 cents a dose. You be your own judge. My guess is that whoever wrote that it was expensive wasn't buying it online but from the thoroughly discredited (by the kratom community) "head shop" type vendors.

Again, I'm happy to discuss this via PM with anyone here on the forum. The Thais have been using this substance for 2000 years. Hardly a medical endorsement I know. But still worth investigating.

Oh and as far as I know - reading some previous posts - there is no benefit to using this topically.

Thanks for reading.

I've yet to try it, but I wouldn't say it is off my table, even with that article, which I had read prior to the posting here.

I couldn't help wondering while reading- how much advertising revenue does the NYT get from big pharma? How about those that own NYT?

It is just something I consider when I see articles like that. The picture they showed made me think of a chimichurri sauce. I actually was thinking I could go for a piece of beef, something I wasn't that drawn to prior to vegan eating.

I bet that chimichurri would have sent me to the moon, Alice. ;)

Jon

I'm amused by the fact that I trust these websites more than big pharma.

That New York Times article is poorly researched and biased. I believe one who finds themselves in positions such as ours needs to consider what brought them to the forum. I know for myself it did not take me long to realize that all doctors could do is run tests and prescribe drugs.

Kratom represents a serious threat to the pharmaceutical industry. A safe natural herb
that acts on certain opiate receptors and relieves pain....without the side effects.

Kratom is in serious danger in our current political climate. If you using Kratom and would like to help to insure your future ability to use this wonderful plant please visit the American Kratom Association 's page at www . americankratom.org.



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I'd like to try kratom for relief from my chronic back pain. Anyone know a reputable vendor online?

Thomas - I'll send you a PM.

kratom
 

I would love to know more. The pain in my feet from PN and psoriatic arthritis is becoming unbearable. Even my Butrans patches combined with gabapentin is not tackling it, and even with Tramadol added. I am completely miserable.

RLynn

Just sent you a PM.

How are you taking a teaspoon? Do you put it in a capsule? Mix with a liquid?

I see the discussions about various dosages, but not the method of ingestion.

TIA,

RLynn

Thanks very much for the info! Couldn't figure out how to reply to your PM, so thanking you here!

RLynn

Hey gryffyn
 

You're welcome. Hope the info helps. I also just sent you another PM!

Interested in trying Kratom. Looking for opinions on a reputable online seller and recommendations for products or strains.

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You better hurry!
 

I just read on another forum that on Sept. 30 this year kratom will become a Schedule 1 drug, i.e. completely illegal. If this is true, and i have not verified this yet, but have no reason to doubt the source, there is only a few days left.

It may or may not happen...the ban.

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