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Old 05-12-2015, 06:54 AM #51
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Hello Emily, and I am sorry for your suffering.

Coinfections are the rule with Lyme Disease now, rather than the exception, and the most common co-infections are "Bartonella" and "Babesia".

Bartonella is always to be expected whenever neurological symptoms are predominant, such as with small-fiber neuropathy.

One of the better Lyme doctors out there is Dr. Joseph Jemsek, who is located in Washington, D.C.

Dr. Jemsek has a great website with a wonderful write-up on Lyme and its most common co-infections. Click on the link below, and then select "Knowledge Base" for either the long or short version:


http://www.jemsekspecialty.com/drjemsek.php


Feel better!

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David,
this is exactly what the lyme dr in NY says. He also said that it is much harder to treat than lyme.
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Old 05-12-2015, 07:00 AM #52
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AS neuropathy, joint pains/issues is a symptom of lyme and other disease, its easier to point to lyme, because it is more treatable than an autoimmune(which requires lifetime vigilance on symptoms)
I requested the list, because i was considering, but now im not certain(though i have a small feeling it is lyme), furthermore, my situation made me "mentally" vulnerablly to chronic lyme people, who tries to convince me to take this tests regardless, Everytime i come across a new medicine,test, medical problem i was research it, i also was type "what if, and if this is reliable", thats how i found out that the whole controversy around lyme, is very questionable. No i did not get tested from igenex, i currently and on welfare(because i dont work, im a struggling student, shouldnt been an excuse though"), since on welfare, doctors technically work for a public hospital, and that is work for city government, and is most likely in contact with cdc. I GET THE feeling they are aware "chronic lyme beleivers out there", and they do call it disseminated lyme, instead of chronic.

I was already suspicious when people mentioned that i may have lyme, because alot of things dont fit, since Llmd, do no take insurance, neither that the tests they constantly profess as the gold standard of lyme testing.
I am also aware they will try to get you to get tested for coinfections associated with lyme(which is even more expensive than the lyme test through igenex).
LLMD can charge an absurd amount of money, as revealed by the OP, up to 1200/per visit, or some llmd can try to milk you, by x amount$/time can very high if you dont have that much income. Theres is a reason why there is insurance, so you dont get the bill for full cost of a medical procedure.

AS in my previous posted, i also noticed that people dont even get better even while under the care of thier llmd, some people got even sicker,(infections, convulsions, gastrintesnial problems) this is due to the antibiotics, and herbal supplements they are taking. But heres the catch, chronic lyme believers, say that if you are not "feelling any symptoms", it means you are still sick, once you feel symptoms, thats mean lyme is getting killed. I find this logic very twisted.

Clinical diagnosis is based off on textbook case symptoms, if fall under a certain amount symptoms, int his case lyme" bulleyes, joint pain, neurological disoder, this is excluding any blood test, imaging. lyme can be clinically diagnosied, if there was a bullseye, or if you fell ill after been in a tick area, or bitten by a tick.
Actually LLmd, ND are doctors, hence the MD in thier names. but these doctors chose a questionable path in thier career.
@healthgirl, low ferritan ca be a sign of iron -anemia deficiency, copper deficiency that needs to be addressed. Does the llmd want you to go back toto him? the llmd was considerate in thinking you may have problems unrelated to lyme
He left the ball in my court. He sent me a kit for blood work for bartonella for Galaxy labs, but it is up to me to find someone to draw my blood. If I can I will because the test is about 150 and I can swing it. The only problem is that he says Bartonella is the most difficult to treat and the antibiotics that work best for it are somewhat neurotoxic which I am unwilling to try, so he knows I'm not an easy patient, but still said there are safer antibx we can try with antifungals. My neuro isn't thrilled with the idea of me being on several antibiotics for a year and agrees with me on waiting everything out.
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Old 05-12-2015, 02:52 PM #53
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Did you get tested through Igenex?

I am in the middle of trying to set up appointments with some LLMD's. The basic Lyme test is around $200. I just want reassurance that I am negative for Lyme. Not sure how I will proceed if it comes back positive though. Last thing I want to do is take tons of abx and make myself sicker.

It just surprises me that lots of people still get clinically diagnosed even with negative results. Some get better, and some don't. The only reason I am doing this is because when I had onset of my pn, i had night sweats and swollen glands which usually signifiy some type of infection. Also, my test results through labcorp showed equivocal result, and positive 41 IGG. I basically just want to test again to reaffirm I am negative so I can check it off my list.
If you show symptoms of lyme, like arthiritis, or late stage lyme you can do so. Because Chronic lyme is a term used by the believers and not the mainstream scientist. LLMDs will not take insurance, they can make a profit by charging you per/time or per visit. It is very expensive to see one, and the tests also adds up the cost. From what ive gathered from other forums of lyme, they said thier llmd use labs like IGENEX, and and if it comes out negative, the llmd will diagnose it as lyme(even if the symptoms are not officially to come from lyme). Furthermore, sometimes they want you to do a CO-infection panel with lyme, which is even more expensive than 200$. The catch is the tests that iGENEX does for lyme and coinfections, have not been investigated as reliable by academic sources. if you go the LLMD route, you will be paying 100s thousands(none are covered by insurance).
Note: theres a gigantic list of symptoms that Chronic lyme disease "300 symptoms" mimic other condition, these are very non-specific. doxycycline and minocycline do have anti-inflammatory properties, and people taking those could have autoimmune instead of actual lyme. i noticed people have gotten yeast infections and other maladies from taking long term antibiotics, and you know how antibiotics ruins your gut flora.
your more than welcome to do these test and get yourself diagnosed with lyme with an LLMD, its a risk to take.

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