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Old 10-09-2016, 11:47 AM #11
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Thanks again, Kiwi.

And yes, the expensive Rifaximin is front-line for SIBO. I'll post here after I've taken it and hopefully I'll have something positive to report.


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My well-informed guess is that it is very unlikely that whole bacteria can enter the blood from the gut in SIBO. If that happened it would probably lead to septicemia (bacteria growing in the blood), which is a very serious acute life-threatening illness, needing urgent treatment - I can't find anything about septicemia in the context of SIBO in PubMed.

You are right about lipopolysaccharides - they could well enter the blood because of the increased intestinal permeability in SIBO - their endotoxin action would be a serious concern if that happens.

As far as I can see Rifaximin is front-line antibiotic treatment for SIBO - I hope that it works for you.
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Thanks again, Kiwi.

And yes, the expensive Rifaximin is front-line for SIBO. I'll post here after I've taken it and hopefully I'll have something positive to report.

Please do give us an update!
I think I pm'd you but I can't figure out if it went through. This inbox/ sent thing is strange.
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Hi Healthgirl,

I agree with all this, as you can imagine. I've followed all your posts and your case with the terrible situation involving your children too. I can't imagine how I'd feel in that situation and so I get your frustration with the medical establishment. It must be infuriating. I'm not sure about this, but it may be that our cases are different in that with you and your children there is some serious environmental trigger, where for me it has been long in the works via continual dysbiosis because of diet. I Again, just a thought. Your situation seems to be more extreme than mine, not that mine is a walk in the park, and diet seems to be an immediate trigger for me. I don't know, perhaps diet is a big trigger for you too.

What really matters though is that in both our situation our gut is implicated. I can't recall if you've tried antibiotics, herbal or Rx, powerful probiotics, say like the ones you can purchased from Custom Probiotics, and also diet. That's the route I'm on and in a few days I'll start the Rifaximin. And I will surely post, hopefully with good news, once I've taken them. I clearly have SIBO and dysbiosis, so there's little doubt there. Once that's over, I'll give it a few weeks, and then start on a custom probiotic blend powder that I ordered from Custom Probiotics. I've never taken them, so I'm not sure what to expect.

I'd be happy to share blood tests, but I'm afraid mine are not complete and not very useful. That's part of the problem. Nothing has really been found, other than low WBC and a few other things, which all went back to normal. The only thing that has stayed low is WBC, but even that creeps up a bit over the low end of normal. And unfortunately I don't have access to the diverse tests that you do in the States. I wish I did. I may end up going to the Mayo in a few months. If I do, I'll be happy to share that complete set, if there's anything interesting. This is the problem for me, nothing shows up, or nothing that's helpful.

I hope the new GI helps you. And by the way I didn't receive a message from you.





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Hi David, I wholeheartedly agree with you and have read enough medical reports and scientific information on pathogens which interrupt the microbiome and cause systemic and immune mediated illness. I am learning more everyday and feel that I am getting closer to figuring it out. There is also a genetic component to this as well. I am waiting on my complete genetic work up results at Columbia. My children and I were spurred into this neurological problem beginning with gastrointestinal symptoms. All of our guts were compromised. I have come across many cases on pathogenic causes that I present to any doctor who will listen. I am prepared to start trying treatments, but will request more testing to rule out bacterial, fungal, and parasitic causes. If you would like, we can compare blood work and results.
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Thank you for this, MrsD, and for the link. There is little doubt that we are living and breathing bacteria houses in all sorts of ways. I think my body is a mess, my gut in particular, and that I need to get things straight. Most of that will have to come naturally, and medications will be of minor use here and there. In 1.5 years Rifaximin is the first one that I see a use for. Then on the with low carb diet, probiotics and herbal antibiotics and antifungals. I don't doubt that candida is also an issue with me.


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Dental work releases many millions of bacteria into the blood.

People getting joint replacement, often are given prophylaxis with antibiotics to prevent joint infections. This is being modified now. But people with heart replacement valves still are given antibiotics before dental procedures.

Strep is well known to travel to the heart and cause vegetations on healthy valves. Rheumatic heart disease, killed my mother.

Also the risk of bacterial endocarditis is higher for women who have just delivered their babies.

Bacteria do get into the blood somehow, it is just that intestinal ones are still controversial. I'd like to see some studies showing results of cultures done with blood sera to see if they really do.

Parasites? Well, some of them do move around. Toxoplasmosis will get into the retina and brain.
Hook worms will get from the feet (where larva live in soil) and end up in the GI mucosa. Pork tapeworms will end up in the brain and cause holes in the brain tissue!

There is a show from TV called The Monsters Inside Me....
I can't get it to load right now, you might Google it after all the hurricaine servers open up.
edit to add... I finally got thru to this link:
Monsters Inside Me | Animal Planet

I think alot depends on the virulence of any organism that gets into the blood. Some organisms are more likely to establish disease in mammals and humans than others.
Candida ( a fungus) does create aldehyde congeners which are irritating to nerves. I have seen claims that up to 50% of adults carry this fungus(a yeast) in the gut. The congeners are similar to those in alcoholic drinks like wine and beer. They are byproducts of the fermentation process and everyone consumes them as adults in one form or another (they are in vinegars except the distilled white). The metabolism of aldehydes relies on vitamin B1.
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Thanks for the link, Janieg. This and related research focuses much more on the brain and CNS and the big named illnesses, but it's all the same in the end. Gut bacteria gone astray, dysbiosis, and so on. I find it all interesting, and think more resources need to be focused on it.


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I just saw this article. It doesn't talk about neuropathy, but it does implicate that gut bacteria has a role in neurodegeneration.

Study demonstrates role of gut bacteria in neurodegenerative diseases

Study demonstrates role of gut bacteria in neurodegenerative diseases | Neuroscientist News



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It's true that we have access to doctors who can run labs over here, but for complicated cases, we either have to give up and accept the drugs to mask/ manage the symptoms or do the research and hope to find doctors who will help. I don't think our cases are that dissimilar David. I think genetically certain people predisposed, but it all started in the gut. There is a lot of information pointing to autoimmunity stemming from the gut. My kids are functioning, going to school, ok. I feel that due to the fact that they are growing and have rapid cellular turnover, it is not impacting them as severely. At least that is my hope- that this is not progressive. It all started with stomach aches for years, pale stool, allergies, headaches... etc, then the neurological stuff. Something was thrown out of balance and causes an immune mediated disaster.


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Perhaps you're right and our cases are not that dissimilar. I agree. I'm sure there's a genetic component for me too. I'm not sure if that has kicked in, if I've reached the point of autoimmunity yet, perhaps I have. What I know so far is that my gut is definitely implicated. And when the gut is implicated, genetics and the immune system can also be part of the equation. I hope I'm not there yet, but I can't tell. I'm going to try to heal my gut and see if that helps. I hope I'm not too far gone, that it's not progressive, so the same hope as yours. I'm glad to hear the positives regarding your children. They do have youth on their side, it seems.


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It's true that we have access to doctors who can run labs over here, but for complicated cases, we either have to give up and accept the drugs to mask/ manage the symptoms or do the research and hope to find doctors who will help. I don't think our cases are that dissimilar David. I think genetically certain people predisposed, but it all started in the gut. There is a lot of information pointing to autoimmunity stemming from the gut. My kids are functioning, going to school, ok. I feel that due to the fact that they are growing and have rapid cellular turnover, it is not impacting them as severely. At least that is my hope- that this is not progressive. It all started with stomach aches for years, pale stool, allergies, headaches... etc, then the neurological stuff. Something was thrown out of balance and causes an immune mediated disaster.


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Please let us know how you're doing and whether you're having success "healing."

haven't been right since I tore up my insides with iron supplements when my ferritin level dropped to 8. I had horrendous neurological symptoms when my gut felt like I had burning kerosene in it, but those did subside after a few weeks. The neuropathy set in about two months later, though. No clue if it's related or not, but I've been taking a probiotic ever since and added Candida Support when Mrs. D mentioned it.
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Will do.

I always associated your neuropathy with diabetes or pre-diabetes or something along these lines, but it would seem there is another contender for the cause of your SFN.

If I may ask, which probiotic do you use? I've ordered a custom blend of powder from Custom Probiotics but haven't used it yet. I'll likely give it a try in a few weeks after I try the antibiotic.


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haven't been right since I tore up my insides with iron supplements when my ferritin level dropped to 8. I had horrendous neurological symptoms when my gut felt like I had burning kerosene in it, but those did subside after a few weeks. The neuropathy set in about two months later, though. No clue if it's related or not, but I've been taking a probiotic ever since and added Candida Support when Mrs. D mentioned it.
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I actually don't think the cause of my neuropathy is related to glucose issues. I'm sure the glucose spikes weren't helping at all, and if any good has come from this "adventure," it's that I may have staved off an eventual diabetes diagnosis. I think my cause is hormonal, spinal or gut-related. I had issues in all three areas right before onset.

I take this probiotic:

Amazon.com: Jarrow Formulas Jarro-Dophilus EPS, Supports Intestinal Function and Health, 12 Veggie Capsules: Health & Personal Care

I had contemplated taking the uBiome test or one like it, but they seem to still be a little questionable result-wise. I haven't looked into them lately, though.

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Will do.

I always associated your neuropathy with diabetes or pre-diabetes or something along these lines, but it would seem there is another contender for the cause of your SFN.

If I may ask, which probiotic do you use? I've ordered a custom blend of powder from Custom Probiotics but haven't used it yet. I'll likely give it a try in a few weeks after I try the antibiotic.
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