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It can be hard to figure out how much of what you are getting. We have actually used a spread sheet, and then it can be hard to find the right types of supplements to add up to the right amounts between stand alones and blends.

The doctor we worked with recommends a very basic multivitamin, and then you add in all the 'boosts' individually....which can of course add up to taking many separate things (which often means low compliance). I think you would do best to find a doctor who specializes in nutritional treatment~ like a DAN! doc or Integrative medicine type doctor.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could just order how much of everything we need (with a doctor who could tell us) and order it up in one pill? Of course, that wouldn't address the things we are supposed to take SEPARATELY.

I'm glad you are feeling better.

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Default Between all the meds and vites...

I have to admit that after scrutinizing any part for over 2 minutes, I DO get cross-eyed, when I push it, I get brain-fried. Few humans have the 'gift', I am thinking. I've always admitted I do NOT. The 'easy out, one-pill' concept does appeal, but we all know reality intrudes. Of course, that would all be far too simple!?! But, I've other talents that help compensate [I sure hope!].

Oh, Melody, COULD WE? It'd be fun and the feet wouldn't hurt!

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Default Between all the meds and vites...

I have to admit that after scrutinizing any part for over 2 minutes, I DO get cross-eyed, when I push it, I get brain-fried. Few humans have the 'gift', I am thinking. I've always admitted I do NOT. The 'easy out, one-pill' concept does appeal, but we all know reality intrudes. Of course, that would all be far too simple!?! But, I've other talents that help compensate [I sure hope!].

Oh, Melody, COULD WE? It'd be fun and the feet wouldn't hurt!

Hugs and fuzzies to all! - j

Of course, simple solutions are never simple in the real world.
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About the "everything in one pill" idea....

I know that compounding pharmacies can make an "all in one pill" out of prescription medications - combining several medications into one pill so that it is easier for a patient to take all their needed meds in a single pill...

I wonder if compounding pharmacies can do the same for vitamins/supplements? or if there is a vitamin/supplement coupounding pharmacy/company somewhere?
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About the "everything in one pill" idea....

I know that compounding pharmacies can make an "all in one pill" out of prescription medications - combining several medications into one pill so that it is easier for a patient to take all their needed meds in a single pill...

I wonder if compounding pharmacies can do the same for vitamins/supplements? or if there is a vitamin/supplement coupounding pharmacy/company somewhere?
I've wondered about this, too. I suspect they CAN do it.... but how much of a premium would it cost? And of course, the biggest part is figuring out how much of each thing is appropriate for our very individual needs... probably the toughest part of the equation.

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Well, I'm not sure if any one else cares, but I just found the bit about P5P, quite by accident...I had emailed it to myself some time ago and was clearing out my inbox...

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Safety, Toxicity, and Side Effects
The use of supplemental P5P has not been associated with toxicity, although the inactive form, pyridoxine, has been associated with reports of peripheral neuropathy.[45] One hypothesis is that pyridoxine toxicity is caused by exceeding the liver's ability to phosphorylate pyridoxine to P5P, yielding high serum levels of pyridoxine which may be directly neurotoxic or may compete with P5P for binding sites, resulting in a relative deficiency.[46]

Mpofu et al reported electrophysiological and neurological examination of 17 homocystinuric patients who had been treated with 200-500 mg pyridoxine HC1 daily for 10-24 years, and found no evidence of neuropathy.[47] Most reported cases of neuropathy associated with pyridoxine supplementation have involved intake of at least 500mg/day for two years or more.[48] While there is no doubt that vitamin B6 can be neurotoxic in gross excess, there is considerable controversy over the way in which toxicological data have been translated into advised limits.[8]
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100 is pretty conservative, but if you want to be extra certain, the P-5-P type is much better. Some people can't convert the cheap old pyridoxine to a usable form so it piles up on them.

Too much or too little B6 can interfere with nerves.

I haven't read the whole thread, so sorry if this is redundant.

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Default Rose, the #'s added up, under my nose!

The b-6's seemed innocous at first. The combo added up to over 680mg per day. I really don't know how such a lapse occurred other than: a preoccupation w/getting good numbers of other stuff into me and a preoccupation with other medical issues...It was only a fluke that noticed the b-6 added to another supplement in a 80mg quantity [I'd not noticed before...] that got the grey cells working albiet not at optimum speed.
Since then, I've dropped the multi [had waay too much-580mg] and just taking the other essentials B-12, Calcium w/D & magnesium & Omega Oils...

I'm thinking IF I've asorbtion issues [something hard to prove/test] I'll have to go the Vite-By-vite add on as needed route. If I'm not mistaken that's what brought on the whole 'wish there was one simple pill' discussion. I certainly want to do this safely, as we all do, at the same time...I kick myself now [often] at overlooking this aspect I overlooked!

The only sources that look minimally safe rite now are -pre natal vites..that I can add on the specifics as needed. However they are pricey...I'm about to check out Kids vites next. Any Ideas?

Glad you are back, hope where you went was as beautiful as I imagine, and let's get on from here? Don't ever ask where 'here is', as we may find out!

Good thoughts ever and always! - j

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I have been taking Shaklee and wonder just how good they really are and the price makes me wonder too? any thoughts on the subject?
I tried the soy protein powder and I think it was making me sick.
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Default 580 mg B6?

Unless it is prescription, I don't believe they can sell over 150 in one capsule or tablet in the United States.

Most multivitamins have A tiny amount of B6, and now one can get B complex containing 20 -50 mg and at least part of that P-5-P. I got my mother on Source Naturals Coenzymate B complex because she needed to keep the B6 extra conservative and the types of the vitamins are good ones.

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