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Old 08-12-2007, 10:54 AM #21
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Because test results for vitamin B12 are judged in this country against a very low low for normal, I distrust the ranges which are applied to people.

For instance, as is reported in an article on my site, in Japan and some other countries the low for B12 is 550 because at that level they have been able to identify changes in cognition... not for the better.

So when the low here in the U.S. is 180 or 200, well, obviously that's a lot lower, so what kinds of things is the person experiencing, besides impaired cognition, for some 350 points before anything was said to be wrong...

I find it upsetting that the low in this country is so low.

I tried to get my doctors to give out the article on my site, but mostly they wanted to prescribe antidepressants as their preference.

I know for a fact, from having had consistent regular tests and keeping notes that when my B12 level falls below 900, I experience depression.

So a level of 1000 for me would be only minimally above the depression level.

Unless you keep notes, you will not know what is true for you.

One person may need very little B12 to improve and rebuild stores, but another person may need a lot more because perhaps their stores were depleted to a lower level, or maybe they deal with a lot of ongoing stress... there are all sorts of factors.

The only thing that is true for everyone, is that if they have symptoms of low B12 and they get B12 in a form their body can use, they will improve.

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B12 that is in the blood has been absorbed, but there is no guarantee that it will be stored or used.

In almost all cases though, as the B12 result increases with treatment, and eventually gets very strong (around 1000 or more) it becomes very clear that stores are being filled, or have been filled. It is very unusual for someone to fail to build stores and use B12 well when taking 1000 - 2000 mcg cyanocobalamin per day, and it is even more unusual when taking methylcobalamin. Very rare.

Methylcobalamin has been proven safe in extremely large quantities, even regular doses in people who cannot remove it normally because of kidney disease.

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I have these references on the dosage and safety of B6. There is probably no reason to take more than 50-100mg a day unless treating a condition that warrants it (and there are some).

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"Doses of vitamin B6, typically in the form of pyridoxine, of up to 200 milligrams daily are generally well tolerated.

One report showed severe sensory neuropathy in seven adults after pyridoxine intakes that started at 50 to 100 milligrams/day and were steadily increased to 2 to 6 grams/day over 2 to 40 months. None of the subjects in the report showed sensory neuropathy at doses of pyridoxine of less than 2 grams/day. There is one report of a woman who had been taking 200 milligrams/day of pyridoxine for 2 years without showing sensory neuropathy who developed sensory neuropathy after she increased her pyridoxine dose to 500 milligrams/day. There are rare reports of sensory neuropathy occurring at pyridoxine doses in the range of 100 to 200 milligrams/day.

The Food and Nutrition Board of the Institute of Medicine of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences has concluded that reports and studies showing sensory neuropathy at doses of pyridoxine less than 200 milligrams/day are weak and inconsistent, with the weight of evidence indicating that sensory neuropathy is unlikely to occur in adults taking pyridoxine at doses less than 500 milligrams/day."
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"The use of supplemental P5P has not been associated with toxicity, although the inactive form, pyridoxine, has been associated with reports of peripheral neuropathy.[45] One hypothesis is that pyridoxine toxicity is caused by exceeding the liver's ability to phosphorylate pyridoxine to P5P, yielding high serum levels of pyridoxine which may be directly neurotoxic or may compete with P5P for binding sites, resulting in a relative deficiency.[46]
Mpofu et al reported electrophysiological and neurological examination of 17 homocystinuric patients who had been treated with 200-500 mg pyridoxine HC1 daily for 10-24 years, and found no evidence of neuropathy.[47] Most reported cases of neuropathy associated with pyridoxine supplementation have involved intake of at least 500mg/day for two years or more.[48] While there is no doubt that vitamin B6 can be neurotoxic in gross excess, there is considerable controversy over the way in which toxicological data have been translated into advised limits.[8] "



And this mentions a few of the conditions that may warrant higher levels of B6. My daughter had seizures related to B6 deficiency:

Inadequate levels of pyridoxal phosphate in the brain cause neurological dysfunction, particularly epilepsy. There are several different mechanisms that lead to an increased requirement for pyridoxine and/or pyridoxal phosphate. These include: (i) inborn errors affecting the pathways of B(6) vitamer metabolism;(ii) inborn errors that lead to accumulation of small molecules that react with pyridoxal phosphate and inactivate it; (iii) drugs that react with pyridoxal phosphate; (iv) coeliac disease, which is thought to lead to malabsorption of B(6) vitamers; (v) renal dialysis, which leads to increased losses of B(6) vitamers from the circulation; (vi) drugs that affect the metabolism of B(6) vitamers; and (vii) inborn errors affecting specific pyridoxal phosphate-dependent enzymes.
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Default b12 for depression

I have been diagnosed with mild depression and have been prescribed a low dosage of Prozac. The type of depression I have is not feeling sad or unhappy, its more being sluggish, tired, irritable, lack of motivation, etc. I have read on the internet that sometimes B12 can be helpful for depression. Should I consider taking a B12 supplement. If so, I have no idea what kind to take? I've noticed there are some that also have b6 and folic acid. Does that make easier to absorb, etc? Just looking for some help and advice.

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Default Time has No Meaning on the Net - B12 Inquiry

Just wanted to thank Rose for her time to put in a website with info and that answered questions as well as putting in additional websites' addresses with even more info. I know the last question that I saw that Rose answered was in 2007 with her website listed below but time doesn't matter, I found it today, and it confirmed what I started to believe about B12. I've been where you are, Rose, with Burning Mouth Syndrome, getting information out just because and I know it takes time so I just wanted to say thank you. Me, I've got a brain tumor, had radiation and have been having some weird symptoms no one can figure out where they came from. I've a sneaky idea B12 has something to do with it.

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