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Ditto on the D....

I have found that since I increased my D to 2000IU daily, I don't need my light visor as much. ( I always feel better in the summer).

Last year at this time I bought that visor, I could barely function at all.
This year...I started it in Oct, and that seemed to nip it in the bud. But since I started the 2000IU D3 (I was taking 1000IU) I have only needed the visor once or twice a week now, instead of every day. ( I am not getting outside at all lately because of the ice and falling potential we have here).

Another factor is that I am now doing the R-lipoic acid 100mg/in the morning.
This is really giving me energy big time... better than a caffeine jolt!

Makes one wonder how much "depression" is other metabolic failures? Part of aging, part insulin resistance, etc?

Mrs. D.

Guess what? Cornell told me to go to 22 of the Lantus. So yesterday was my first time going down 4 points to the 22. I had no idea what my reading would be this morning. I mean, what is 4 points of insulin?? I really don't know.

So I took my reading, and it was 124.

Do you think there is a chance (I'll take any chance believe me), but could it be possible that a 60 year old woman who has been on diabetes medication since she's 40, and insulin since I'm 57. Well, could I someday go off all diabetic meds?? Is this at all possible in someone my age?? Can the good eating lifestyle really let a person with Type 2, stop diabetic meds altogether?

Wouldn't that be a kicker??

Thanks much.

it is possible... but don't go nuts trying to do it. I think quality of life and fun
are also important.

Since you do not require a bolus of insulin with food, you may be able to go off.
It might be that the insulin is only contributing to the extra low A1c.

Other things that can lower blood sugar are
Cinnamon after meals
R-lipoic acid
Chromium supplements.

The chromium is very good at lowering blood sugar in the mild zones.
There is a study on PubMed..I put it up on medications..for the question of blood sugar that was elevated due to steroids. That study showed good blood sugar lowering.

Quote:

Diabet Med. 1999 Feb;16(2):164-7.Click here to read Links
Reversal of corticosteroid-induced diabetes mellitus with supplemental chromium.
Ravina A, Slezak L, Mirsky N, Bryden NA, Anderson RA.

Department of Diabetes, The Linn Clinic, Oranim University of Haifa, Israel.

AIMS: To determine if the stress of corticosteroid treatment increases chromium (Cr) losses and if corticosteroid-induced diabetes (steroid diabetes) can be reversed by supplemental chromium. METHODS: The effects of corticosteroid treatment on chromium losses of 13 patients 2 days prior to steroid administration and the first 3 days following treatment were determined. Since steroid-induced diabetes was associated with increased chromium losses and insufficient dietary chromium is associated with glucose intolerance and diabetes, we treated three patients with steroid-induced diabetes with 600 microg per day of chromium as chromium picolinate. RESULTS: Urinary chromium losses following corticosteroid treatment increased from 155+/-28 ng/d before corticosteroid treatment to 244+/-33 ng/d in the first 3 days following treatment. Chromium supplementation of patients with steroid-induced diabetes resulted in decreases in fasting blood glucose values from greater than 13.9 mmol/l (250 mg/dl) to less than 8.3 mmol/l (150 mg/dl). Hypoglycaemic drugs were also reduced 50% in all patients when given supplemental chromium. CONCLUSIONS: These data demonstrate that corticosteroid treatment increases chromium losses and that steroid-induced diabetes can be reversed by chromium supplementation. Follow-up, double-blind studies are needed to confirm these observations.

PMID: 10229312 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

and Cinnamon..

Quote:

Proc Nutr Soc. 2008 Feb;67(1):48-53.Click here to read Links
Chromium and polyphenols from cinnamon improve insulin sensitivity.
Anderson RA.

Beltsville Human Nutrition Research Center, USDA, Beltsville, MD 20705, USA.

Naturally-occurring compounds that have been shown to improve insulin sensitivity include Cr and polyphenols found in cinnamon (Cinnamomon cassia). These compounds also have similar effects on insulin signalling and glucose control. The signs of Cr deficiency are similar to those for the metabolic syndrome and supplemental Cr has been shown to improve all these signs in human subjects. In a double-blind placebo-controlled study it has been demonstrated that glucose, insulin, cholesterol and HbA1c are all improved in patients with type 2 diabetes following Cr supplementation. It has also been shown that cinnamon polyphenols improve insulin sensitivity in in vitro, animal and human studies. Cinnamon reduces mean fasting serum glucose (18-29%), TAG (23-30%), total cholesterol (12-26%) and LDL-cholesterol (7-27%) in subjects with type 2 diabetes after 40 d of daily consumption of 1-6 g cinnamon. Subjects with the metabolic syndrome who consume an aqueous extract of cinnamon have been shown to have improved fasting blood glucose, systolic blood pressure, percentage body fat and increased lean body mass compared with the placebo group. Studies utilizing an aqueous extract of cinnamon, high in type A polyphenols, have also demonstrated improvements in fasting glucose, glucose tolerance and insulin sensitivity in women with insulin resistance associated with the polycystic ovary syndrome. For both supplemental Cr and cinnamon not all studies have reported beneficial effects and the responses are related to the duration of the study, form of Cr or cinnamon used and the extent of obesity and glucose intolerance of the subjects.

PMID: 18234131 [PubMed - in process]

I have a problem with SAD,as my 2 sons, and I use the light,but like
Mrs.d the vit. d has helped so don't use it for as long as as did..Music
also helps me,but boy I miss dancing.. Hey Mel think of it this way
even if he's gay,maybe he likes to cook,clean,and he's purty to look
at. We have had some crazy weather almost everywhere ,this year,
usually not so cold,but is in Mo. this year.I can fly over the snow
in my Electric wheelchair,but it's not so easy trying to walk over
it on a walker.

Mel that was a mean thing for your Mom to say,sounds like she had
the problem,because as they say ,you can always loose weigh. She
was trying to make a problem she had your's and we are not talking
about weigh.. I have a problem going out ,sometimes it's hard to
do so many things that were so easy before,like getting dressed,
taking a shower without falling,getting any kind of excercise..Right
now with the PICC not being able to take showers..A Wellbutrin
helps,Billye the tests are a good idea.Psychiatrists..psychologists,
counslers,neighbors,kittys like Karens Baxter and Yorkiemom's yorkie.
whatever hobbies you can still do or teach,grandbabies,even if you
can see them on conputers,because there far away..And good
sweet cyberspace friends who haveee such good ideas when your
depressed,and we all are once in awhile..I'll be complaining how
hot it is soon. Your all just the best,feel better Susan,I can't
remember where I got my last pair of down slippers and I need some very
soft leg warmers,helppp. Hugs All Sue I think.

Mrs. D.

Don't worry, I don't go nuts. I like to have as less stress as possible. and I love to laugh. I actually enjoy eating my fish, and greens and anything that's new. I even know about Quinoa. Most people never even heard of this. You have to wash this very carefully because it has a natural pesticide on it so you wash it before you cook it. Has a nutty sort of flavor. Very healthy protein, so I have been told.

I know about Chromium. I have to pick some up.

bye for now.

These 'days and nites' and the weather? I'm almost ready for one of those visors...
Not quite a depression, just a 'dampening' of anything good in life rite now. And I've some little things to feel GOOD about. More later, maybe...
I always, ALWAYS compare my state right now to some prior times...then I've a basis of comparison and hit myself on the head and can say "IT'S BEEN WORSE!' So I'm crabby, I'm not sleeping well...well? I've been far worse...I just don't LIKE to be THIS way!
It all makes me THINK, re-THINK, and again Re-re-THINK about where I am in my pain and where I am in this world! Hey! I've got a few things going for me?
I am 'diagnosed' of a sorts. Far Better than many, many others.
I am being treated. Far better than others.
I am still mobile, luckier than others.
I am still left with a functioning brain [tho some may quibble here] that helps me decide how to continue with what life has given me.
I am GRATEFUL for what all I do have! I no longer mourn what I've lost, but have learned to appreciate little things...I do resent that I've lost lots, but at the same time, I'm learning to learn what I still HAVE.
Life is fragile, and a gift. We have to use it to the best to really give and in the giving get back the better part of all of us.
'Patience is the art of hoping'... - j

Wow, guys. I think I can formulate a plan with the encouragement and advice you have given me. I had forgotten about the light therapy for SAD. I suspect I have it since this time of year is always hard for me. I will look into trying it. And the Wellbutrin XL... I don't think I have ever tried it -- just the regular Welbutrin. I'll ask my doctor (I am going to make an appt. tomorrow. And just hearing that you all have been through it and come out of it some helps a lot. I know that, but I forget it when I feel so bad and I feel like it will never get better. I did get up and go to church today and did laundry when I got home and that is a better day for me. And Melody, I am doing okay with the eating, although I have certainly self-medicated with ice cream in the past! Thanks a million guys. Tomorrow I will make that doctor's appt. and make sure I get off the couch. I'll do it for my husband and kids and you guys....

Hey! Two ships passing in the nite?

Go and DO don't hesitate to TRY! What have you got to lose?
Yeah they can prescribe anti-depressants...just insist that they-THEY look for other options... Hey, they are supposed to KNOW about this stuffs...
Ice Cream is a DEFINITE medication at times! Trust me! Doesn't do anything for the waistline, but...sure sets off some boggle of endorphin responses! AND far more FUN than Chicken Soup? - j

Mrs. D, is vitamin D one of those vitamins that you have to be careful not to get too much of, like A? Or can I just atart taking the 200IU? And do you know a website where you can order the light visor? I can sure try these things and see what happens. I can only fell better, right?

Shiney Sue, I get my down booties from REI website or Eddie Bauer. I think I have a website for the leg warmers. I'll look it up and post again.

I like the picture of the guy, Mel. As long as I am imagining, I can imagine him being heterosexual..lol.