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well... that's what he said he would diagnose if I had ever actually lived/travelled in Africa or India etc... but I have never travelled outside Europe and Canada and the US and the last known case in the UK was in 1925 apparently.

So... now he is stumped... did a blood test to check Lyme but he is pretty certain it isn't that either.

He told me he couldn't find any demylination or axonal damage.. but I also heard him whisper to the younger doctor who was sitting in that he wasn't sure if it was CNS of PNS.. or both together. I only had full spine and brain MRI with/without contrast last summer so he feels there is no point doing them again now. He said to me that he had ruled out 99.9% of things.

I am pretty fed up as now I guess I have to get all my records from the hospital (which is the top neuro hospital here) and do masses of research... and maybe find a new doctor in the US. The neuro today just said that he couldn't help, and he would see me in a year and hopes that it doesn't progress too much in that period... which I fear it will... as it already is.

I got a few more details from the exam: the left ADM weak at 4/5, Slightly depressed reflexes supinator triceps and ankles, dropped an isihara plate on right eye, one palpable nerve on right elbow.

Just adding that if it rings any bells for any of you with anything else it could be....
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Leprosy is called Hansens Disease now. While not common it does exist in the US, and is gaining steam, especially along the southern border states and cities with a high imigration rate. There is a treatment center, in the south somewhere.

You might want to check with a doc that specializes in infectiouse diseases if you think it is possible. It's very treatable, not like what we see in the movies.

In any case, I wish you well.
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It is very hard to comment on what is going on, given the paucity of test results presented. On what basis did the neuro rule out demyelinating or axonal damage?

One thing strikes me as possibly clinically significant. Charcot Marie Tooth may present with 'palpable' hypertrophied nerves. CMT would present with either demyelinating or axonal degeneration.
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Thanks for your reply.... I know what you mean about the paucity of tests. The NHS here isn't really set up to investigate.

He told met that my nerve conduction tests came back 'in some respects better than normal'. He tested for tyhroid, b12 etc. and all came back fine, I have clear MRI's and he tested all my reflexes (results as above), stuck pins in me etc. (which just proved the numb patches and sensory loss).

I asked him directly if it was demyelinating or axonal and he couldn't find evidence of either. He had thought it was definitely HNPP before the nerve conduction tests.. but now said he wouldn't put me forward for genetic testing because the nerve conduction tests were fine and they certainly wouldn't be.

Could you tell me what tests I need in the short term to check this out?

Apologies that I am only just catching up with all of this.
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Angry Aaarrrggggghhhhhhh!

I HATE it when doctors do this to patients. Throwing out that bogus diagnosis, to you... was a lame attempt on his part to look intelligent. But in reality he
said that only to impress you with his intellect (which must be weak and shaky)

Here is a link to symptoms of Hansen's disease:
http://www.health.state.ny.us/diseas...fact_sheet.htm
http://hlunix.hl.state.ut.us/epi/fac...s/leprosy.html

Do you have skin lesions? Leprosy or Hansen's disease starts in the fingers and toes for initial skin lesions. (not large nerves like the lateral femoral nerve in the thigh).

When my husband was in Vietnam, I visited his family doctor for a minor thing, this was back in 1971. I did not know he was a bum and my husband's family were only using him because he would come to the house for Grandfather.
He took blood (I think I had a sinus infection or the like) and told me I had a serious blood disease! Then gave me a dangerous antibiotic for my infection,
called Chloromycetin (which causes aplastic anemia--and I didn't take) and was taken off the market here shortly thereafter. Needless to say, he did not impress ME with his prognostications...trying to look important. He wanted me to come in twice a week for NOTHING! I am still here, 60 yrs old and do NOT have a blood disease!

This neuro sounds like a piece of work to me! Beware! What he is really saying to you is --"I don't know what is wrong with you". But in reality he threw out that diagnosis and that makes YOU anxious! It is just a power play and basically cruelty directed towards you to make his ego feel better!

Beware doctors' egos!
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Thanks for your reply....

No skin lesions ever... so I am sure I haven't got it.

I am really pretty upset by it all as I think it was part of educating (showing off in fact) to the pretty young female doctor who was observing.

They were both incredibly patronising when I said that I would like to ask some questions (based on links you guys here gave me - thanks): things like did he think it could be infectious, metabolic, inflammatory etc., did he think it was axonal or demyelinating.

I also bought up Chlamydia Pneumoniae (I have had penumonia and have asthma and repeated throat and chest infections) and they obviously didn't know what it was.. and just kept saying this isn't caused by Chlamydia (which CPn isn't!).. which was humiliating.

I don't really know what to do next... I guess I need a new plan but I obviously can't leave it a year just to get worse. When the last two blood tests come through I will get all my records from the hospital and all my test results and start filling in LizaJane's charts... and then will try and find a new neuro (that task feels like a mountain to climb here).

I felt so depressed when I got home, and actually cried about it this morning...
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well... that's what he said he would diagnose if I had ever actually lived/travelled in Africa or India etc... but I have never travelled outside Europe and Canada and the US and the last known case in the UK was in 1925 apparently.

So... now he is stumped... did a blood test to check Lyme but he is pretty certain it isn't that either.

He told me he couldn't find any demylination or axonal damage.. but I also heard him whisper to the younger doctor who was sitting in that he wasn't sure if it was CNS of PNS.. or both together. I only had full spine and brain MRI with/without contrast last summer so he feels there is no point doing them again now. He said to me that he had ruled out 99.9% of things.

I am pretty fed up as now I guess I have to get all my records from the hospital (which is the top neuro hospital here) and do masses of research... and maybe find a new doctor in the US. The neuro today just said that he couldn't help, and he would see me in a year and hopes that it doesn't progress too much in that period... which I fear it will... as it already is.

I got a few more details from the exam: the left ADM weak at 4/5, Slightly depressed reflexes supinator triceps and ankles, dropped an isihara plate on right eye, one palpable nerve on right elbow.

Just adding that if it rings any bells for any of you with anything else it could be....
I have been diagnosed with leprosy after running from doctor to doctor for 3 years. If you have a palpable nerve it could be a sign. Go see a doc who knows the disease and who will consider it seriously. I had not travelled in any endemic country myself and still caught it.
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