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MarcS 09-22-2011 12:45 PM

Nerve twitching - fasciculations?
 
Hi!

Does anyone have anything like this?
My arms and hands are almost constantly twitching..

My homemade video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T47I-IgrKw

Thanks

Coop42 09-22-2011 01:12 PM

Cool video. Yes, I've had that happen. In fact, one day the side of my hand sunk in and stayed that way for a little while. It was really weird.

boytos 09-22-2011 01:14 PM

I think it is the degree of compression that change.

Try this :

Flat on your bed, close your head and think about nothing for 15 minutes. (relaxation). Breath with your stomach.

Tell if it change.

(Broken Wings) 09-22-2011 09:36 PM

Cool video.

I've had those. I didn't find they were, in and of itself, was not painful, although the more pain I was in the more I had.

Good relaxation techniques will help.

Hope you find some relief soon.

chroma 09-23-2011 01:03 AM

I've had them too. They are annoying and distracting, but the least of my worries. :)

They do tend to indicate something isn't right (presumably nerve compression, stress or what have you) and often show up around the same time as other problems.

I recommend a few stretches, postural changes and then relax as much as possible.

Jomar 09-23-2011 11:12 AM

I wonder if any of these trigger points might be the cause?

http://www.pressurepointer.com/Serra...ger_points.htm
http://www.pressurepointer.com/Latis...ger_points.htm

the main chart in case I missed another possibility -
http://www.pressurepointer.com/pain_reference_chart.htm

If you can press a tennis ball against a wall or lay on the floor and roll on it or any small ball -
or have a friend help - press around on your back in the areas shown to see if any small knots or specific sore spots are there.

If you find any - here is the user guide on how to resolve them-
http://www.pressurepointer.com/Users1.htm

boytos 09-23-2011 11:27 AM

I personnaly have that when i relax my mind, i realy think it indicate a change in degree of compression.

less compression - compression return a bit - less compression scheme.

mspennyloafer 09-24-2011 08:26 AM

weird

im glad i dont get this

SD38 09-24-2011 09:21 AM

SCM causing many symptoms
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jo*mar (Post 808440)
I wonder if any of these trigger points might be the cause?

http://www.pressurepointer.com/Serra...ger_points.htm
http://www.pressurepointer.com/Latis...ger_points.htm

the main chart in case I missed another possibility -
http://www.pressurepointer.com/pain_reference_chart.htm

If you can press a tennis ball against a wall or lay on the floor and roll on it or any small ball -
or have a friend help - press around on your back in the areas shown to see if any small knots or specific sore spots are there.

If you find any - here is the user guide on how to resolve them-
http://www.pressurepointer.com/Users1.htm

From looking at the Pressure pointer I can see that despite my VTOS issue the SCM seems to be very involved regarding many of my symptoms. I shall definately bring this topic up when I have my follow up with my surgeon to see if he can advise about PT to help.
Thanks for another great link.
SD38:)

chroma 09-24-2011 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SD38 (Post 808731)
From looking at the Pressure pointer I can see that despite my VTOS issue the SCM seems to be very involved regarding many of my symptoms. I shall definately bring this topic up when I have my follow up with my surgeon to see if he can advise about PT to help.
Thanks for another great link.
SD38:)

I have a lot of SCM problems on my symptomatic side including extreme tightness and pain. When the tightness is bad, I get dizziness and sometimes pallor. When I get the SCM and other neck muscles to relax, the dizziness subsides.

See my thread at: http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/sh...d.php?p=795191

Also, I've been doing these stretches at least a few times a day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XlxMuuGIvI

And checking for and releasing tension in my neck throughout the day.

And finally getting some soft tissue work from chiros.

The upshot is that my neck tension and dizziness has come down about 70% in a few weeks.

HTH

SD38 09-25-2011 02:55 AM

SCM stretch try out.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chroma (Post 808748)
I have a lot of SCM problems on my symptomatic side including extreme tightness and pain. When the tightness is bad, I get dizziness and sometimes pallor. When I get the SCM and other neck muscles to relax, the dizziness subsides.

See my thread at: http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/sh...d.php?p=795191

Also, I've been doing these stretches at least a few times a day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XlxMuuGIvI

And checking for and releasing tension in my neck throughout the day.

And finally getting some soft tissue work from chiros.

The upshot is that my neck tension and dizziness has come down about 70% in a few weeks.

HTH

Dizziness is a huge prob so need to try everything I can to relieve it NATURALLY!!! I'm sick of pain killers. I've managed to ween myself off the paracetamol and ibuprofen combination that I have been on since my op 25 days ago. What awful side effects... Nausea, even more headachy, dizzy, gassy and bloated YUCK!:mad: Believe it or not, the pain from my surgery I am very pleased to say is tolerable its just the muscle tightness and head/dizzy issue that concerns me at the moment.
Nice tips Chroma AGAIN!!!!:winky:... gonna give them a go along with your suggestion of the Muscle Relaxation Meditation for the rest of next week as I'm still signed off from work until at least 3/10/11 and will let you know how it goes.
Hope that the SCM release keeps up for you.... Like you suspect its probably triggered by an unconscious mental tension???? I'm beginning to think that there is alot more to MEDITATION and self healing. POSITIVE THINKING. It sounds like you have found a successful release technique, just make sure that you dedicate that time to yourself to continue working on them. All the best SD38

MarcS 09-25-2011 07:43 AM

thanks for the great link Jo*mar - those really seem helpful.I will try to look in to trigger points :)

@ Boytos: unfortunately, that didn't work, but it is good exercise if you really stressed.

I also think that the nerve twitches, are due to a change in compression-just seems strange that even though I am trying to do all the right things, the pressure on the nerves somehow gets worse. :(

chroma 09-26-2011 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SD38 (Post 808949)
...
Nice tips Chroma AGAIN!!!!:winky:... gonna give them a go along with your suggestion of the Muscle Relaxation Meditation for the rest of next week as I'm still signed off from work until at least 3/10/11 and will let you know how it goes.
Hope that the SCM release keeps up for you.... Like you suspect its probably triggered by an unconscious mental tension???? ...

I've been thinking about this lately and wonder if maybe I had/have a cycle of dysfunction. I'm thinking something like:
-- TOS contributes to neck tension
-- stress contributes to neck tension
-- neck tension contributes to vessel impingement
-- vessel impingement contributes to dizziness contributes to stress
-- vessel impingement contributes to neck tension
... and repeat. :-(
I'm speculating on these cycles because by itself, the problem was not resolving. So it made be think that something had to be keeping it going.

Or maybe it's something simpler. One chiro diagnosed me with head/neck misalignment. Another chiro got huge pops on both sides setting my skull/C1. Maybe it's just compressed nerve --> muscle tension --> vessel impingement and that's it.

In any case, thank goodness I've improved! :-)

SD38 09-26-2011 02:56 AM

STRESS & neck tension
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chroma (Post 809201)
I've been thinking about this lately and wonder if maybe I had/have a cycle of dysfunction. I'm thinking something like:
-- TOS contributes to neck tension
-- stress contributes to neck tension
-- neck tension contributes to vessel impingement
-- vessel impingement contributes to dizziness contributes to stress
-- vessel impingement contributes to neck tension
... and repeat. :-(
I'm speculating on these cycles because by itself, the problem was not resolving. So it made be think that something had to be keeping it going.

Or maybe it's something simpler. One chiro diagnosed me with head/neck misalignment. Another chiro got huge pops on both sides setting my skull/C1. Maybe it's just compressed nerve --> muscle tension --> vessel impingement and that's it.

In any case, thank goodness I've improved! :-)

Hi Chroma, I'm so happy for you. Great news!:)
ALWAYS keep in mind that time for relaxation (meditation)/stretches/exercises is key and without fail be determined enough to stick to a regime where you can dedicate undisturbed attention to YOURSELF!!!!! Sometimes you just have to say NO to the outside world and announce, I'm having "ME-TIME" .:circlelove:
I think we are all in an age of inevitable STRESS-->PAIN. Everything moves too damn fast and we are all trying to keep up with the rat race. Of course that will cause too much muscle tension ( even though we don't want to admit that to ourselves..... because in this day and age we are supposed to be SUPERHUMAN and juggle all thats thrown at us).:grouphug:
Just sometimes afew deep breathes ( of that marvellous stuff called oxygen) and positive thoughts does wonders. At times just working on my breathing technique to improve my circulation probs is taxing enough! Let's face it, how much time do we actually give ourselves to focus on self-healing???? NOT ENOUGH..... It's time to take back some time!
Keep up the good work Chroma. You have inspired me to totally alter my daily routine to incorporate " ME-TIME".:)
Best wishes SD38

chroma 09-26-2011 04:17 AM

Thanks. I obviously agree with you about the stress and taking time out.

Anne4tos 09-26-2011 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chroma (Post 809201)
Or maybe it's something simpler. One chiro diagnosed me with head/neck misalignment. Another chiro got huge pops on both sides setting my skull/C1. Maybe it's just compressed nerve --> muscle tension --> vessel impingement and that's it.

In any case, thank goodness I've improved! :-)


How many people have problems with C1? I do and I know another person with TOS who has similar misalignment problems. C1 innervates the following: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suboccipital_nerve

SD38 09-27-2011 02:38 AM

Muscle twitches on many occasions
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MarcS (Post 808073)
Hi!

Does anyone have anything like this?
My arms and hands are almost constantly twitching..

My homemade video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T47I-IgrKw

Thanks

Hi MarcS,
good video. I often experience muscle twitching myself but tend to not let it bother me.They don't hurt so I don't care - well try not to anyway! I've had it happen on my shoulder, tricep, thumb, side of my face.... even in a totally different region of my body (and quite frequently, my left thigh muscle). The one that does bother me is on my upper (right) eyelid which has been happening almost daily for the past year..... in saying that- since my op for VTOS (on the same side) I've experienced it only occasionally. Whether theres a connection and the op has released nerves or something I don't know? Watch this space!
Try to relax yourself as much as possible through what ever method works for you... Meditation/ exercise/ stretches/ Belly breathing/music????? I'm even going as far as listening to Tibetan Singing Bowls. There are lots of vids on YouTube..... very soothing!!!!!!!!! Relaxed mind---->relaxed body---->less tension ---->less pain. :hug:
Just to let you know that Jo*mar and Chroma on this forum have some excellent tips for relaxation.
SD38:winky:

SD38 09-30-2011 04:52 AM

medication given for dizziness
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chroma (Post 808748)
I have a lot of SCM problems on my symptomatic side including extreme tightness and pain. When the tightness is bad, I get dizziness and sometimes pallor. When I get the SCM and other neck muscles to relax, the dizziness subsides.

See my thread at: http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/sh...d.php?p=795191

Also, I've been doing these stretches at least a few times a day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XlxMuuGIvI

And checking for and releasing tension in my neck throughout the day.

And finally getting some soft tissue work from chiros.

The upshot is that my neck tension and dizziness has come down about 70% in a few weeks.

HTH

Hi Chroma, glad to see that your dizziness has come down.
I tested myself yesterday with a short trip to my supermarket. Not very successful. After about 25 minutes I started to get dizzy and my hearing became muffled???? Anyway with this and still tender from op I decided that I'm not ready to return to work yet. I have only just returned from my doctors this morning, he has extended my sick certificate for another 2 weeks plus given me a prescription for anti dizziness. A medication called PROCHLORPERAZINE MALEATE tabs 5mg to be taken three times a day. Have you ever tried anything like this yourself? I have a 9 day course so will let you know if it makes a difference or not once completed.:wink:

chroma 09-30-2011 05:02 AM

I've also gotten dizzy just going to the supermarket for a short period of time. Grrr.

I'm not on any meds for dizziness at this time. I'll be interested in your outcome.

Today I have headache, brainfog and my neck is popping and cracking all the time. The last two have been common for me recently, but not the headache. Usually, I have dizziness instead. Maybe something is changing...?

SD38 09-30-2011 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chroma (Post 810698)
I've also gotten dizzy just going to the supermarket for a short period of time. Grrr.

I'm not on any meds for dizziness at this time. I'll be interested in your outcome.

Today I have headache, brainfog and my neck is popping and cracking all the time. The last two have been common for me recently, but not the headache. Usually, I have dizziness instead. Maybe something is changing...?

I will definately let you know how it goes. Oh by the way..... "brainfog", yep, thats one for sure!:thud::mfr_wha:

SD38 09-30-2011 08:59 AM

dizziness
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chroma (Post 810698)
I've also gotten dizzy just going to the supermarket for a short period of time. Grrr.

I'm not on any meds for dizziness at this time. I'll be interested in your outcome.

Today I have headache, brainfog and my neck is popping and cracking all the time. The last two have been common for me recently, but not the headache. Usually, I have dizziness instead. Maybe something is changing...?

Re: dizziness ......I'm currently looking at Pulsatile Tinnitus.
- The condition is a result of a disturbance in the blood flow of the head or neck.
What do you think????:Clever:

www.pulsatiletinnitus.net/

http://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/sea...fr=yfp-t-702-s

chroma 09-30-2011 09:16 AM

Every time I've read about it, including just now, it's mentioned to have the rhythm of the pulse, which I do not experience. I think my tinnitus is derived from blood flow issues, but doesn't match this particular label because it lacks that property.

SD38 09-30-2011 02:46 PM

muffled hearing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chroma (Post 810772)
Every time I've read about it, including just now, it's mentioned to have the rhythm of the pulse, which I do not experience. I think my tinnitus is derived from blood flow issues, but doesn't match this particular label because it lacks that property.

Quite similar to me as I don't always have the rhytmn of the pulse, only occassionally... Strange?
Do you sometimes feel like your ears have a full feeling and a muffled pulsey sound, worse when standing or moving about??

I have this at the moment and I can't tolerate loud noises - they make my ears almost vibrate and echo the loudness. My son is abit annoyed with me as I keep asking him to turn the TV down or to talk with a quieter tone ( he's a typical noisy teen ). My hearing is very sensitive at the moment. I haven't yet picked up my prescription for the Prochlorperazine. I've looked it up and I'm abit wary...... LOTS of horrid side effects ( which I'm bond to experience knowing my luck!) It also states NOT to take if experiencing breathing difficulties. I haven't quite got back to normal with my breathing yet since my op as I think that I picked up abit of a chest/throat infection???? :( I really think I may give it a miss. Really confused:confused: as to what I should do. As much as I don't want to take this kind of med I also don't want this dizziness / headachy feeling!

chroma 09-30-2011 05:26 PM

I've had the full feeling in the past, although it hasn't been bad lately.

I understand your concern about the meds. If it's contraindicated for people with breathing problems then I think you have to wait until that resolves.

I often get partial and sometimes full relief from doing this:

-- heat my neck (typically with the carex bed buddy back/neck wrap)
-- neck stretches, primarily for the front of the neck
-- first rib adjustment with strap -- hey you don't have one so you can skip this step! :D

Takes me at least 20 mins and sometimes 40.

Good luck!

SD38 10-02-2011 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chroma (Post 810876)
I've had the full feeling in the past, although it hasn't been bad lately.

I understand your concern about the meds. If it's contraindicated for people with breathing problems then I think you have to wait until that resolves.

I often get partial and sometimes full relief from doing this:

-- heat my neck (typically with the carex bed buddy back/neck wrap)
-- neck stretches, primarily for the front of the neck
-- first rib adjustment with strap -- hey you don't have one so you can skip this step! :D

Takes me at least 20 mins and sometimes 40.

Good luck!

First rib adjustment......... OMG, you did make me laugh!!!!!! Nice one Chroma:deadhorse: Ha ha.
I always say , if you don't laugh you'll cry.... right?
A good blob of Tiger Balm and stretches works for me.
With regards to the anti dizziness meds I really do think I'm gonna give them a miss.... I've not even collected them from the chemist yet so I guess I've unsubconsciously answered my own question about how I feel on taking them. I'm not willing to take anything that could possibly bring on such horrid side effects if I react to them. So if I have a dizzy spell, I'll just have to rest where ever I am and not worry about people staring at me. If the need comes to stick my head between my legs and breath deep.... so be it. I've been in worse positions! :winky: LOL
Take care and hope the pain management keeps up.


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