Help with CDR
 

Boy as easy as the short form CDR really is, i still never know how to fill it out.
I have been on ssdi since 2001 and have had 3 reviews already, so i should be an expert, but am not.

My disability is from my neck and back

my last doctor visit are

last visit was to my psychologist for counseling not part of original application, but still is connected to my injury

second to last visit was to my primary doctor for checkup. should i write checkup or psychical checkup

third visit was to my psychiatrist who i go to for all my mental problems associated with my injury. He also manages my pain and gives me pain meds.

fourth visit was to my cardiologist for a stress echo test {have major heart problems, but not part of my application}


My question basically is, my last visits to doctors werent to my orthopedic surgeon but they were all to doctors i go to on a regular monthly basis, who help me with the problems associated with my injury, but werent a part of my original application.
Its not like i can plan ahead perfectly for a trip to the ortho, so that visit would fit in as one of my last 3 visits to a doctor.

My wife says am just way over thinking this and making it harder on myself then it really is. Shes probably right, but still cant help not stressing over this and not wanting to make a mistake and have it get spit out of the computer.

Any help with this, would be of great help to me.

Thank you for any help
Bobby

also to add to my last post, which of these would be better wording for the computer

1. neck - back medicines
2.pain management
3 pain medicines

My lean is to number 1 because it refers directly to the body parts my case is about.

am driving myself crazy with this stuff and have only gotten a couple of hours sleep each night for the last 5 days because of this form.

anybody who has an idea which wording to use, your input will be so greatful to me and my wife {driving her crazy,lolll}

Thank you
Bobby

i would put for wording the name of the condition or conditions and the last 3 visits that have to do with those condition or conditions even if you had other doctors visits for other reasons after them. in other words put last 3 visits that are relevant for reason you are on ssdi.

for me it would be as follows

Dr. so and so 2/25/14 peripheral neuropathy
Dr. so and so 1/5/14 Asthma
Dr. so and so 10/26/13 peripheral neuropathy

thats it.

http://nymakesworkpay.org/docs/Guide_CDR.pdf

Check out my thread with a similar question
 

When I received my last disability update report (short form - continuing disabilty review) I put the following on the 3 lines for my last 3 "reasons for visit": medication, counseling, prescriptions.

I didn't put my original diagnosis or any diagnosis at all on this particular form.

I had been having psych appointment every month and I did list those dates.

Anyway, about 4 weeks after mailing it in, I received a letter telling me my disability benefits would be continuing.

Anyway, that's my story.

Echoes thanks for the help.
Am kind of screwed then, because i havent seen my ortho surgeon in a few years has he has said there is no reason to see him anymore, unless i need more surgery. All the other doctor visits are basically to help with my neck/back injury, but they arent the doctors that did my surgery.

Am wonder if i should just keep the last 3 visits like this

1.counseling
2.medical checkup or physical checkup {which sounds better}
3.pain medications or pain management


am ortho doctor has already gone on record that iam permanently disabled and i have tons of medical records to backup all my health problems which currently are neck/back, afib, sleep apnea, high blood pressure, diabetes and mental problems. I just dont want to have to deal with not getting this thru the computer, as i already spend enough time in doctors office,lolll.

Also Echoes where are you writing down the doctors names on the form. My form only asks for reason for visit.


Iam probably worrying more then i should be as my profile type is L and my profile score is 0039.

Thanks for the help and please let me know, if you think what i wrote up above would be good enough
Thanks
Bobby

Thanks SS for the answers. I kind of like how you did that. You kept it short and sweet when filling out your paperwork
Bobby

i dont have the short form in front of me so i wasnt sure if they asked the doctors name. if it were me i would just put the last 3 visits of the doctors that are currently helping you with your neck/back injury and the diagnosis that you are receiving ssdi for. if you have more than one condition which social security listed as the reason you were approved then make sure to list a visit for that condition also. it doesnt have to be the surgeon who did the operation it could be the doctor that is currently seeing you for you listed condition. you do have pretty low numbers so i wouldnt sweat it too much. if you click that link you will see that the state of new york advises to only write you condition for reason for the visit.

Echoes, this is where am getting confused. My last 3 doctors appts were to

1.psychologist, who helps me with coping with my injury and what is has done to my life

2.psychiatrist, who also does the same, but also provides me with all the medications that help with my disability, including pain pills, muscle relaxers, pain patches, sleeping pills


3. my primary doctor, which i see every 3 months. since i no longer see my surgeon, isnt he really considered my main doctor for all my health, including my injury?


all 3 actually help with the symptoms of my disability and have been providing the things i need.

If these doctors arent good enough, then am basically screwed because the last time i saw my surgeon was a few years ago. What we talked about is if i wanted to do anything with the bad discs i still have. He told me, that if i couldnt take the pain anymore, to come back and he would do more surgery.
Well i dont want another surgery until i cant take it anymore.

Man this 1 question has got me so stressed out, my head feels like its gonna burst.

In fact on the form, they give examples of what could be written down.
heres their examples

HAVE YOU GONE TO A DOCTOR OR CLINIC FOR TREATMENT {INCLUDING EVAULATIONS, CHECKUPS, COUNSELING, PRESCRIPTIONS, MEDICINES}


This is why i thought for the psychologist i put down COUNSELING

for the psychiatrist i put down PAIN MEDS SPINE

and for primary doctor i put down CHECKUP.


Since they are only gonna see counseling, pain meds and checkup with no doctors names, they would have to look at those 3 visits as having to do with my case.

Or do i just write down

neck/back
neck/back
neck/back

for all 3 visits?

Maybe i can win the mega millions tonight and then call them up and tell them to keep their money.

Echoes if you have any more thoughts, am all ears, as i know you have been doing this a long time and your info is always good
Thanks

Bobby

how is your condition worded by social security? in other words on your award letter what did they say they were awarding you for exactly? if you look on your short form you can see what all the codes stand for.

look at section 8 in the link below
https://s044a90.ssa.gov/apps10/poms....1!opendocument

here are diagnosis codes

https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/lnx/0426510015

7240


Disorders of Back (Discogenic and Degenerative)

Okay Echoes, i pulled out my reviews from 2007 and 2010.

For the visits to my psychologist i wrote down PSYCHOTHERAPHY as reason for visit

For visits to my psychiatrist i wrote down PAIN MGMT PSYCH

Those were on last 2 cdr's i filled out.

now my family doctor was the middle visit.

I cant decide between writing down MEDICINE ADJUST OR REGULAR CHECKUP

Which one sounds better to you? Am probably driving you crazy now,lolll.

I just want this to be over so i can get back to trying to get my heart and diabetes problems helped. I wore the holter monitor last week and my heart stopped 77 times during the night, from 2-6 seconds each time. So this paperwork sure isnt helping.


Thanks again for your help
Bobby

if it were me i would put down the last 3 visits then with the psychiatrist and gp, because they are the ones directly treating the condition you are receiving ssdi for, and the diagnosis. if you want you could put pain mangagement and checkup if it makes you feel better. im only going by what new york state is telling people here to do. are you discogenic, degenerative or both?

Call them maybe?
 

Bobby maybe you could call them and just ask a general question about how to fill it out? They must get asked this question a thousand times a day, there are 50 million people on SS and I'm sure they get questions all the time. I don't think it would flag your account even if they did ask for your name and ss #, all you are doing is asking a simple question about how to correctly fill out the form. Just a thought, good luck. :)

Hi ECHOES.
I have both. Discogenic and degenerative.

I have read that ny state guide like 10 times now and am still confused. Doesnt SS count going to your primary doctor as part of your overall treatment of any disability, considering he treats your overall care and sends you to doctors you need to see. You would think SS would want to see you going to your primary doctor every 3-6 months as part of keeping up with your total health.
Since the form isnt asking for doctors names or what they do, if i use my primary doctor has my middle visit, what would be the best wording to use for reason for that visit? checkup, 3 month checkup, regular checkup or any other ideas?


I see my psychiatrist on friday, i could then use the order of visits like this

PAIN MGMT PSYCH feb 2014

PSYCHOTHERAPHY feb 2014

PAIN MGMT PSYCH october 2014


Thus throwing out the visit to my primary doctor.


I guess the biggest reason am confused and having a hard time with this, is because what kind of treatment SS wants to see for the condition i was approved for? I go for pain management and get medications, i get counseling for the problems the pain is causing. I go to my primary doctor and cardiologist all the time to maintain my overall health. Even if i went to my ortho doctor, hes just gonna wanna know if i want more surgeries to fix my other discs. other then that, hes gonna push me off to my primary doctor or pain management to treat my pain.
Theres really nothing more i can do with my neck and back, is live with what i have or if it gets to bad, more surgeries which nobody wants.

I swear if this paperwork doesnt give me a stroke or put me in the metal ward, nothing will,loll.


Echoes, thanks again for the help. Its great to have somebody in the same boat to ask questions to.

Bobby

SS,
I actually thought about doing that, but then i thought, sure they will a little not in my file, telling the computer to spit my cdr, so that they can check my doctor visits.

Heres the thing, am not lying about anything. I have got so many different added conditions now, they should really be paying me double,lolll. I just dont want the hassle of having to deal with this, as i already spend a ton of time in doctors offices. I just want this form to get thru with no problems, like am sure all of us on SSDI want to happen.

Thanks for the suggestion, still considering it
Bobby

i think that you are over thinking it. just put your last 3 visits dates with psychiatrist then if the gp isnt handling back/neck and reason for visit what you are getting ssdi for. you arent getting ssdi for a psychological reason so i dont see how psychotherapy is a direct treatment for neck back issues. it might help you to deal with it but it isnt a direct treatment for it. it might result in your short form being kicked.

Thanks Echoes.

I see the psychologist for counseling of the problems my pain has caused me from my injury.
He treats my PTSD, depression, anxiety, panic disorder all effects caused by my injury. Sure hes not treating my spine, but he is treating what the injury to my spine has caused. I dont get hurt, i dont have those problems. They have gotten worse as the years go by. The PTSD still gives me nightmares of the day i got hurt.


Iam so confused as to what to do, when this should be so simple. I wish that i was back at work fighting fires, instead of disabled doing this paperwork crap.
One of my last doctor visits was to cardiologist for stress echo test, but i dont dare put that down because its a different problem. SS knows my neck and back problems arent suddenly gonna heal themselves after 13 years. You would think putting down other doctor visits like seeing your primary doctor on a regular basis for checkups, would show you are trying to take care of your health. I guess am looking at the form how i would review it if i was SS. Like with your condition, i wouldnt penalize you if on one of your last doctor visits, it wasnt for your approved condition.
They should put down in the instructions, that they want a persons last 3 visits only to doctors that treat you for your approved condition.

Thanks
Bobby

Okay Echoes, my final question before i send the form in tomorrow. I have studied it way to long now. When i started going over this form last week, i was 51, iam now 67 years old,lolll.

The question how is your health now.

better - same - worse

Truthfully my health is worse right now and i wouldnt be lying if i checked that box, but i would be willing to just check the same box, if it put me at a lower risk of computer spitting it out.
am sure checking better would spit it out, do you think worse will do the same thing?

Thanks again for taking time from your life to help me. Same goes for all the other posters in this thread.

Bobby

i put worse on my short form because i am. my condition is progressive.

Thanks, am gonna put worse also, because iam. Will just have to cross my fingers and hope it goes thru without problems. Then i wont have to worry about the next review for 7 years and at that point it should be a breeze.
If you ever need any help, just ask
Bobby

Be careful with the YEAR. Typo on your post that you don't want to make on your CDR.

October of 2014 not here yet. :)

Thanks Hopeless, nice catch.

I noticed it when i was practicing filling out the forms today.
Bobby