Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy (RSD and CRPS) Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy (Complex Regional Pain Syndromes Type I) and Causalgia (Complex Regional Pain Syndromes Type II)(RSD and CRPS)


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Old 11-17-2013, 09:38 PM #1
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The calmare equipment is a TENS machine so whatever the protocol and electrode placing being used by any given doctor or operator, it will function in exactly the way that a normal, multi-channel TENS machine does - electrode pads attached to the skin and an electric current run through the electrodes which is controlled and adjusted by the main unit. It contains pre-programmed cycles.

I'm not saying this to upset anyone or create any arguments about the nature of this particular treatment. I am very aware of how controversial it is and how many arguments there are about it. I am only relaying the absolute facts about the equipment being used. In front of me I have copies of their FDA 510(k) Medical Device Application and the corresponding FDA Approval Letter and it is absolutely a matter of indisputable fact that this device is a nothing more than a simple multi-channel TENS machine. That is what the manufacturers of the equipment have themselves said that it is. In fact, they have based their 510(k) application on "Predicate Devices" which are 2 specific, listed existing models of TENS machines already manufactured by other companies which were already on the market at the time of their application. This allows them to get their approval more easily - they apply on the basis that their device is equivalent in construction and effect to a device that is already on the market and already has FDA approval.

The 510(k) makes it clear that the device is only designed to provide symptomatic relief of pain. That, as you will all know, is exactly what any simple multi-channel TENS machine which you can purchase from a high street chemist or on the internet, claims to be able to do.
I have tried the tens machine .I cannot use it.it makes it worse.so be careful
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The calmare equipment is a TENS machine so whatever the protocol and electrode placing being used by any given doctor or operator, it will function in exactly the way that a normal, multi-channel TENS machine does - electrode pads attached to the skin and an electric current run through the electrodes which is controlled and adjusted by the main unit. It contains pre-programmed cycles.

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The 510(k) makes it clear that the device is only designed to provide symptomatic relief of pain. That, as you will all know, is exactly what any simple multi-channel TENS machine which you can purchase from a high street chemist or on the internet, claims to be able to do.
I have two IF4000 interferential tens machines that I've used for back pain for years. Can you tell me exactly which ones they use?

I tried one of them around my ankle where the RDS orginated and I had no deep pain or in fact no deep sensation of any kind at all like I get elsewhere. I think it was due to edema? But I can mess with this some more if I'm using the right kind of tens machine. These are actually stronger and go deeper than a regular tens machine (Moderators, I hope this link is ok to post. If not please remove):

http://www.amazon.com/AccuMeds-Inter...ferential+unit

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I think this person would like an overview of what actually happens during the treatment..

Do they stick e stim pads on you?
Where on the body?
Or what is actually done?
How long does a session take etc?
I just traveled from CA to RI for Calmar Tx with my 15 yo daughter who has had severe CRPS for 3 years. It worked! If you log on to the website or you tube you can see exactly what they do. They use the electrodes and put them on you, based on your affected pain area....check it out. CALMARE it awesome!!!
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I think this person would like an overview of what actually happens during the treatment..

Do they stick e stim pads on you?
Where on the body?
Or what is actually done?
How long does a session take etc?
I agree I would like to know more too..like what is it?How to they apply?how long does it take?anything that would help us understand..thank you very much
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I agree I would like to know more too..like what is it?How to they apply?how long does it take?anything that would help us understand..thank you very much
I think I described it earlier in this thread - go back and take a look But if you have more questions, I'd be glad to share our experience.

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We had tried a tens machine before, too. In our experience, it's very different in several significant ways.
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An update for those that said they are interested

Christmas was special this year, because if we made it to Christmas without my daughter coming out of remission, it would be her longest remission (she's in her 3rd remission) ...

Anndddd ....

She made it - and is going strong!!!!

I thought she was going to lose it a few weeks ago, but she turned a corner, and is now in her longest remission and going very strong!
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Wonderful news! Thank you for sharing your experiences. Your daughter is blessed to have such a strong parent by her side!
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I only have about 6 hours with no pain from the RSD, sadly though it comes back and when I mean it comes back it goes right back up the pain scale. I was wondering if anyone out there is having the similar issue of not working has you hoped it would have. (This doctor that worker's comp is paying for, is not buying that I know the difference of the RSD pain and other pain. I worked in health care for over 8 years, I know this is the RSD pain. I worked on a broken foot for two whole months at the hospital, I know what pain is. I cannot find a job due to the fact that the medications cause bad side effects like becoming dizzy. Then I cannot wear shoes nor socks. I cannot stand or sit for a long time. Then in my arms, I have RSD from the finger up to back of my neck. He also complains that I need to focus on what I want to do, well when I get the resources on what I need to do, I will go back to school to learn to do something that will provide me a job. Sorry, I got off subject.)
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I've also read that they are just glorified Tens machines. Had one of those didn't work
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I only have about 6 hours with no pain from the RSD, sadly though it comes back and when I mean it comes back it goes right back up the pain scale. I was wondering if anyone out there is having the similar issue of not working has you hoped it would have. (This doctor that worker's comp is paying for, is not buying that I know the difference of the RSD pain and other pain. I worked in health care for over 8 years, I know this is the RSD pain. I worked on a broken foot for two whole months at the hospital, I know what pain is. I cannot find a job due to the fact that the medications cause bad side effects like becoming dizzy. Then I cannot wear shoes nor socks. I cannot stand or sit for a long time. Then in my arms, I have RSD from the finger up to back of my neck. He also complains that I need to focus on what I want to do, well when I get the resources on what I need to do, I will go back to school to learn to do something that will provide me a job. Sorry, I got off subject.)
We went through that this last time my daughter came out of remission. We tried a provider closer to home, but you could tell that they just weren't as experienced, plus for some reason they changed the pads to a normal TENS pad, and although she "zeroed out" during treatment, the pain came back about 6 hours later, like you, and after 4 treatments, the pain came back completely over the weekend. The next week, we went back to the provider that we went to last time, and it worked really well, and she's back in remission.

I'll give some more details in my next post, but I wanted to reply specifically to your post since we went through what you were asking about.
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