Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy (RSD and CRPS) Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy (Complex Regional Pain Syndromes Type I) and Causalgia (Complex Regional Pain Syndromes Type II)(RSD and CRPS)

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Old 11-13-2013, 10:14 AM #1
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I've had two bier blocks now, and I'm sheduled for another one next friday. Both times they've injected medications into my foot, where I have the CRPS.

Can anyone give their opinions on the safety of this? I'm reading but I can't find much info on it. But some sources tell me it isn't safe to inject a needle into a CRPS area. And that it can make things worse and cause spreads. I've also read that just a needle can cause CRPS in the first place...
Injections in the area where you have RSD/CRPS should never be done. It's dangerous.

Typically...for injuries in the lower part of the body they do injections in the back. Lumbar sympathetic block is the kind I had initially (RSD started in my left ankle). For hands/arms they typically do the injection in the neck.

It's always important to remember that ANY injections, blood draws, etc can cause the RSD/CRPS to spread. Done correctly the risk is reduced but still there. That doesn't mean you shouldn't have the treatments as they are going to be your best shot at remission...but you need to go in with eyes open and know the risks. ANY trauma can cause spread.

Spread from injections used to treat RSD/CRPS is rare but does happen. Unfortunately I know from experience that it can happen. I now have RSD in my back, both arms and hands, and my neck after spread from my last LSB.
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I am so sorry to hear that.I have had the back injections too..3 but told them no more.They kept saying it sometimes takes more.I told them 3 was enough.Why keep trying...This is a tough problem.I know one thing the cold weather is not helping.
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Thought bier blocks were only done during medieval times.
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Thought bier blocks were only done during medieval times.
When it comes to RSD/CRPS we are still in medieval times. How many here have knowledgable doctors?
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Not in affected area Pediatric needles only

Hospital ProtocolRSD/CRPS Patient: Handle With Care!
The Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations has man-
dated the healthcare institutions that they accredit to assess and treat your
pain. Pain is now to be assessed as the fifth vital sign. Patients have the right
to demand pain control and to be pain free.
Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy(RSD) also known as Complex Regional Pain Syndrome (CRPS) is a chronic condition characterized by severe burning pain, pathological changes in bone and skin, excessive sweating, tissue swelling and extreme sensitivity to touch. People afflicted with RSD/CRPS are extraordinarily sensitive to certain stimuli, such as touch, movement, and injections.


Patient Tips

1. Bring a written copy of your medication regime. It is important to verify whether your medication regime can be taken care of solely through use of the hospital's
pharmacy. Some medications may not be part of the hospital's formulary.
2. Avoid having ice applied to the RSD-affected limb
3. Instruct all hospital staff to always ask before touching you!
4. Request that the surgery protocols be adjusted so that the pre-op shave be done after anesthesia
(catheter is in place for epidural or whatever). It feels like a lawnmower has been run over your legs when they shave without anesthesia.
Patient Room

1. Whenever possible patient should be in a quiet part of the hospital
2. In a semi-private room, patient should be in the second bed to avoid inadvertent bumping
3. A Zone-Air bed should be used (adjust mattress pressure to patient preference)
4. Heat and air conditioning should be well regulated
5. Standing orders should be issued for patients to have warm blankets
6. Foot Cradle to hold bed linens off body area (will diminish tactile stimuli)
7. Frequent linen changes may be necessary due to hyperhidrosis (increased sweating).
8. Allow family members to bring in clean sheet and pillowcases for patient. Hospital sheets are not soft and can irritate the skin.
9. Place a sign above bed designating affected limb
Procedures

1. Perform a phlebotomy on unaffected limb only
2. Use Pediatric needles (any trauma can cause the spread of RSD to a new site)
3. Warm Alcohol or Betadine wipes with warm running water on outside of package before opening package (these wipes can be very cold to the patient)
4. If PICA site is available, see if blood can be obtained from PIC instead of using vena puncture technique.
Blood Pressure and Pulse Rate

1. Use cuff on unaffected limb only
2. Use thigh cuff if both upper extremities are affected Transport

1. Ask what kind of help the patient needs when transferring to a stretcher or wheelchair (simply touching arms or legs may cause hyperalgesia)
2. Use extreme care over bumps, such as elevator doorways
Feeding

1. Be careful not to touch patient extremities with bedside table
Patient Identification

1. Place red bracelet on unaffected limb
2. Place red dot sticker on patient chart
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With close to 3 decades now of ~25 blocks a year I can tell they do help with the pain. But they come with a cost of days recovery from the injection and of not feeling so well until the effects of the injected drug wears off.
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Catra, wow! I did not know that blood draws could be an issue!
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Definitely don't go through with it .. my daughter has CRPS in her foot/ankle/leg and had two injections like that (one from a podiatrist and one at a pain clinic)..they only made the pain unrelenting and worse. Can't help but wonder if she had not had any injections if the pain would have gone into remission and she would be okay now and back to being my happy and healty child!
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Thanks for all the input. I've already called the hospital to tell them I'm not doing another bier block.

I'm still going tomorrow. When I went there to do the first two blocks, the nurse talked to me about "other options", and mainly mentioned a nerve block which would help my blood vessels open up. So I suppose she was reffering to the lumbar sympathetic blocks.

I've spend the last days reading up on CRPS. And I'm now reading as much as I can about nerve blocks. I'm gonna make sure I can see the doctor who's in charge of following me up, and talk to her about it!

I'm also considering changing hospitals. But there's only one hospital in Belgium which may be a better choice, and they also recommend contrast baths as part of the physical revalidation on their website.

The first treatment they recommend is what I'm having now too. Injections with miacalcic (calcitonin salmon) and physical therapy. If that doesn't work, their second means of treatment is an IV drip with bisphospanates...

From what I've read the best treatment I can get right now, and as soon as possible is the SLB's...

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Good for you!

I hope it goes well tomorrow and you get some answers, and a way forward that doesn't involve sticking things into your CRPS limb...

I'll be thinking of you, let us know how you get on.

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