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Old 04-30-2008, 01:07 AM #11
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On Monday, Wright criticized the U.S. government as imperialist and stood by his suggestion that the United States invented the HIV virus as a means of genocide against minorities. "Based on this Tuskegee experiment and based on what has happened to Africans in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing anything," he said.

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on this i think he could be wright or right or at least it could sort of be true in a way

they did do the tuskeggee thing in the past

some things i guess we agree on
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then theres the friction between mexicans and blacks in los angelos and i think its sick-i feel the blacks are getting the short end of things-they used to run all the auto body shops and now the illegals have moved in and taken their business
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What, to me, seems a shame about the Rev. W. is that a great deal of "spin" has been placed on his words - and, having listened to his entire speech or presentation before the press people a couple mornings ago: He made some rather profound points that I wish would not be buried or lost during all the campaign hoopla-la. But, that is what is happening and, now, Obama has publicly divorced Rev. W. .

Meanwhile, I don't think that B.O needed offer apologies for anything. What'd the man do wrong? Nothing, in my view.

One day, maybe, Rev. W.'s presentation will be reviewed and understood... with historical context. I hope.

I just feel, now, in the days following: Was I hearing something totally different than the pundits? I doubt it. Did I somehow miss the messages? I don't think so. Just what I heard didn't have spin. That doesn't draw ratings.

I suspect, these days, everything just has to be so PC or a person doesn't stand a chance.
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Old 04-30-2008, 01:32 AM #14
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i dont like how bush and clinton used depleted uranoium in war and i wonder how obama feels on that and mccain if he likes it

rev wright i bet hates that and that we can agree on i think

why should we use depleted uraium?
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I think it's when a Pres. becomes "emeritus," more of the heartfelt beliefs surface - either via the former Pres. (journals, letters, diaries) or offspring and pennings.

And... many wonder what drives people away from public service? No-brainer.

Pick to the bone and it cuts to the core.
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I've been avoiding this thread topic thru the previous one but decided to just pop on in. My Father is caucasian my mother is German (but considered Black German-which looks more Italian) I am mistaken for being Latin ALL the time..and my husband is Arabic (also mistaken for Latino) We have lived and travelled all over the world and honestly outside of the US have never experienced any kind of racial issues, we have been welcomed warmly wherever we have gone. The only ugly things that have ever been said to either of us have happened right here at home with two black men calling my husband Osama and two white men calling him a derogatory Latin name. We live in an area with all races many white,many black,many latin,many asian and for the most part everyone is very respectful of everyone regardless of color. I think the biggest question is not about race relations but about racial ignorance because after all racism is only a different word for ignorance and fear!
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It would have been nice if Rev. Wright could have left it with his Moyers interview and the NAACP speech. He should have known the general public would not have understood his public performance at the press conference or see the difference between his platform and Obama's platform. He should have known they would all tune out and blame it on Obama. Wright's message got lost when he made it all about him instead of the people he was supposedly speaking on behalf in this country. I'm so disappointed with the media. It's as if they are too sensitive, stubborn, or hateful to listen to the content of what was said.

I agree with you Bobbi. When all this dies down, I hope someone has the courage to go back and re-examine everything that was said. It would be so nice to see an open, honest, and sincere dialogue on race relations in this country. I'd rather not place this burden on Obama because he's already got enough on his plate. It would be so nice to see some healing take place and to see us ALL work towards a happy medium. If not, I suspect the hatred and violence will only escalate.

One talking point that was interesting to me was about "Revenge" - i.e., God does not bless acts of terrorism OR revenge. I've always believed that too because revenge goes against a line in a very important prayer - i.e., "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us." But that's not only why I believe revenge is wrong. I see how it is played out on the streets of Chicago here with our gangs. It's a never-ending vicious circle, and only leads to death and destruction. "Thou shalt not kill" happens to be a commandment, not a suggestion. Regardless of the color you are wearing, it is never honorable to kill or attempt to destroy another human being.
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I don't think that the leaders need to save us. I think that we need to save ourselves. I think that Obama can lead us to come together and solve our problems together instead of being all divided across so many divisions. Obama has pulled together so many volunteers. We all have to be involved in our communities and our communities are many - our immediate and extended families, our schools, our cities, our states, the USA and the world at large. If we work together in each of these communities the world would be an awesome place at all levels. Currently we elect our leaders and then go back to our own business and hope that things work out. I want to be involved and am..... Going back to the topic of this thread, if we come together and agree to stay together and work out the issues - this means staying together and not running off and getting all mad - then we will be able to listen to each other and come to some compromise and understanding. If we do this then true healing can take place and we can move forward.
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I dont see anyone being negative on this thread (yet) clouds

however, rest assured, it too will be immediately locked if it starts to take *any* negative turns

we have guidelines here and they call for LIMITED political discussion and respectful posting between members.
that is why the last thread got locked, as well as because it was taken way off the original topic.
Starting a new thread to continue to rehash what was on a locked one is not ok.

if you wish to discuss the question you asked on race relations without turning this totally political, we will allow it.
If it turns it will be closed.

we really have been very relaxed on this guidelines, understanding the current political climate .........but it is going to be up to members as to where we go from here.

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please everyone re-read chamar's post. also read the guidlines.
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/homi...men-as-vi.html

i think its sick how blacks are being killed by latinos in la and i predict riots there soon

im white and part american indian,and ive also heard mexicans dont like indians but they may be just a rumuor, maybe some dont

i have met indians from mexico that were very nice people and i had no problem with them

mexcio is less united i think than our mixed up usa

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