[clouds z]

i think some need to discuss their feelings here

[KathyM]

..............No.

[Alffe]

Will you change your mind Kathy if Obama wins?

[clouds z]

there were few if any black senators 50 years ago so why be so negative?

[clouds z]

post edited as against neurotalk's guidelines which can be found here
http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/showthread.php?t=1293

[Chemar]

Originally Posted by clouds z

there were few if any black senators 50 years ago so why be so negative?

I dont see anyone being negative on this thread (yet) clouds

however, rest assured, it too will be immediately locked if it starts to take *any* negative turns

we have guidelines here and they call for LIMITED political discussion and respectful posting between members.
that is why the last thread got locked, as well as because it was taken way off the original topic.
Starting a new thread to continue to rehash what was on a locked one is not ok.

if you wish to discuss the question you asked on race relations without turning this totally political, we will allow it.
If it turns it will be closed.

we really have been very relaxed on this guidelines, understanding the current political climate .........but it is going to be up to members as to where we go from here.

thanks for everyone's co-operation

[clouds z]

since you deleted that people can pm me for that link then

[clouds z]

i wonder if i can post this depressing news story dont read it if you are easliy depressed

im just disgusted at how people behave

anyway its one reason im depressed so much lately i guess

its not just blacks and mexicans that get bad treatment


http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/l...ry/271908.html

[clouds z]

What are the marks of a sick culture?

It is a bad sign when the people of a country stop identifying themselves with the country and start identifying with a group. A racial group. Or a religion. Or a language. Anything, as long as it isn't the whole population.

A very bad sign. Particularism. It was once considered a Spanish vice but any country can fall sick with it. Dominance of males over females seems to be one of the symptoms.

Before a revolution can take place, the population must loose faith in both the police and the courts.

High taxation is important and so is inflation of the currency and the ratio of the productive to those on the public payroll. But that's old hat; everybody knows that a country is on the skids when its income and outgo get out of balance and stay that way - even though there are always endless attempts to wish it way by legislation. But I started looking for little signs and what some call silly-season symptoms.

I want to mention one of the obvious symptoms: Violence. Muggings. Sniping. Arson. Bombing. Terrorism of any sort. Riots of course - but I suspect that little incidents of violence, pecking way at people day after day, damage a culture even more than riots that flare up and then die down. Oh, conscription and slavery and arbitrary compulsion of all sorts and imprisonment without bail and without speedy trial - but those things are obvious; all the histories list them.

I think you have missed the most alarming symptom of all. This one I shall tell you. But go back and search for it. Examine it. Sick cultures show a complex of symptoms as you have named... But a dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than a riot.

This symptom is especially serious in that an individual displaying it never thinks of it as a sign of ill health but as proof of his/her strength. Look for it. Study it. It is too late to save this culture - this worldwide culture, not just the freak show here in California. Therefore we must now prepare the monasteries for the coming Dark Age. Electronic records are too fragile; we must again have books, of stable inks and resistant paper.
--- Friday and Dr. Baldwin in Friday

http://patrifriedman.com/quotes/heinlein.html

[Bobbi]

I don't think that race relations in the U.S. have improved as much as some/many wish to believe there have been improvements. Have relations improved in the world? I don't think so.

During the Holocaust, what happened when the Red Cross visited "camps"? A facade was presented and accepted. (Don't take my word for it. Please read: "I Never Saw Another Butterfly.")

If relations have improved, there would be no genocide, selective starvation, etc.

Just my take. I have a bi-racial or multi-cultural family. It's alarming to me when I hear some of the comments from younger relatives. I probably shouldn't get into that, however, since I'm not sure how much we may state without something being mistaken as a flame.

Great is the day when times evolve with something expressed by MLK: Judge someone not by the color of skin but by content of character (and I am paraphrasing). Bridging from what MLK stated: Character is evidenced not by when there may be witnesses but that which is done in solitude or acts no one else may ever recount. It's taking a stand and one that is right and ethical... even when no one else may be watching or be aware. (It's what each person knows that counts and makes a difference or suggests indifference.)

Can relations improve? Yessss.

But, I don't think we're there yet - worldwide, as the question asks.