[paula_w]

There is so much to talk about now and there are differing views that need to explain their thinking without being sworn at or called names etc. SO unless Docj has any objections I'm tossing this out but only those who can do this and want to give it a try as safe adults, need even answer.

May we have a moderator Docj and set a few rules? And concequences, here goes:

Only verifiable events apply.

the serious word of Judeo-Christian morals, the last thing left that it still isn't politically incorrect to bash... or values and who is forcing whom to do what----- would not be a welcome topic to liberals . Neither are the conspiracy theories welcome to conservatives. EVERYTHING works both ways and everyone will have to listen to each other and reply with logic first of all. Name calling has no logic. -What good is it.

QUESTION

Socialism, Communism? Can someone explain how the far left vew their thinking in comparison to them?

I am not a history or world culture expert, I"m more concerned about what is happening now. They throw out a new term every week. They were terrorists and we were Americans....same thing it seems to many within our own country too - we are so vulnerable. Now this week we are the same - FASCIST ! FASCIST BACK! We are ripe for something that could be a very serious change in our lives. Twenty thousand people a year convert to Islam in America. The UK is in deep disturbing times with their sub-cultures. What does that mean to a nation? Are they on our side or their side- how do we know? Shouldn't we somehow know if there are enemies among us? There are many who are apparently ripe for becoming musliims in America. Are they going to join or be forced to join a more radical form?

NO JUDGING This question neither makes me or anyone else a fascist nor a socialist.. no false accusations. YOu have to address the question.

Last one: 3 strikes and you're out of the thread. in case anyone is moderating. Strikes are aforementioned...insults that are deliberate. Is that enough rules? No hurry, think about it.

There is no use talking about this when the elections are over....right? oh, must have sense of humor or be able to tolerate one.
Paula

OMG I don't understand the question! It may be that the pizza hut delivery guy was so late that they discounted my 2 large pans to $8 (1 1/2 hrs after I ordered it and was STARVING, and then there's the ice cold icehouse brew that I just found tucked away in the frig to quence my thirst from the 8 slices of salt I wolfed when they arrived, but here goes....sort of.

I don't like political labels. Some do and feel very comfortable in their molds, but for myself I am an individualist. More so the older I get. I guess I feel more confident in marching to the different drummer I've followed my entire life.

I seldom agree with one side or the other, and usually find a middle ground from both points of view. I don't mind criticism...I may learn something for free (even better).

Name calling and passive aggressive BS, irritates me to no end. I guess I'm too perceptive and it's hard to slide that crap by me.... I've been known to be wrong about first impressions, but I follow my instinct and it serves me pretty well.

I think the USA is on very dangerous ground. The current administration has for the most part undone all the gains from the outpouring of sympathy from other nations, and as a citizen, I feel like the laughing stock of more mature nations. Cowboy mentality is destroying all the credibility we painstakingly gained throughout our history. One can only hope the next administration has a tad bit more class and brains.

Terrorists are gaining more supporters from our ever present blunders in the war on terror. Abu Grahib, etc. I believe it will take years (if ever) to renew the respect we once had from our allies.

I believe the american media spoon feeds us agenda dribble and like idiots, we suck it down at the water cooler. "freedom fries?". We are a nation of idiot slogans. Hard to believe, but I STILL get stupid email forwards of that crap. lol.

My husband used to watch Bill O'Reilley on Faux news. I had to leave the room. Eventually, he saw ole bill for the blowhard he is, so now we can watch the news together again It's hard when the current world situation makes it difficult to agree even within your own home. Everyone seems to be at each others throats over all this crap. They want to label you a conservative or a traitor. Little middle ground.

I hate to admit if, but I agree with many of the arguments by american bashers. I am embarassed to admit I am an american in its present state. Other countries are having similar troubles, yet I am not familiar with their politics or demographic issues.

Obviously we have some very ****** off muslims out there. How did they get into their present state, when their religious fight has been ongoing since Issac and Ishmael parted ways. They had things to say and they were discounted as radicals. People are listening now aren't they?

Sad to say, but I seldom meet a free thinker (or thinker for that matter) IRL in America. Even fewer doers. That's why I find the internet very gratifying. People aren't afraid to say what they really think, under the cloak of a screen name.

Sorry, I have no label for myself. During the last election I would have to say I was a blue stater lol. I know when elections come up I will vote out encumbents.... that's my agenda... at the moment anyway.

If I totally misunderstood the question(s) then I apologize, but thanks for asking them! I love a good debate even if I don't have a clue what the topic is

[paula_w]

Dorry, you are like a breath of fresh air.....perfect, because I have such a terrible short term memory problem, I probably forgot a few key words or some such....the other half of the question perhaps, it's late...i think I was referring to Russia and China behind Iran...and wondered if they are where this goes back to, doing deals for oil.

Darn it there is more...are they using muslims for war by proxy? While the USA gets infiltrated they have already announced plans for Israel.?

[indigogo]

Hey Paula -

wikipedia is a fun place to learn about political labels. On one of your earlier posts in forum feedback you were bothered by the term "neocon" (my interpretation of your post; not sure I am correct) - and I didn't know why. Here's the wikipedia entry for "neoconservatism"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservative

Like any other political label, "neocon" can be applied negatively, positively, or neutrally - depending on the person using the term. But it is a legitimate term with a long American history - and is an important influence today, good or bad.

"Liberal" is another polarizing label - it can be said with much negative connotation and meaning. It's much easier for me to just embrace the term - warts and all!

It might be good for all of us to become educated on the real and legitimate definitions of political terms rather than to just use them as weapons. Maybe then we can get beyond mudslinging, name calling, and on to real and useful discussion.

cheers!

[paula_w]

I think you two just restored some of my faith in mankind. Carey, just plain not knowing what words mean and labeling IS a big part of the polarization problem. Should we refer to the people as Democrats and Republicans?

I am thinking that this discussion should be postponed tho with respect, as it appears a forum member has passed away and there are other days to solve the world's problems.

Paula

[Alffe]

Let's please not forget The Onion as a good news source.

www.theonion.com