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I have a feeling I understand why your attorney was willing to accept your case now. My guess is s/he is betting you won't be approved at the first stage and that you'll end up before an ALJ and will rack up significant backpay and win at that point.

^^^You really think for those reasons? He told me that they turn down 75% of the people who call. I asked him if he thought I had a strong case. He said, "Yes". I asked, "On what basis?"

^^^"You have an excellent work history. You are over 50. You have excellent medical records with DXs and TXs. You have multiple health isses that are going on."

You need to keep the focus on the PN, and the PN exacerbating your pre-existing mental disabilities.

^^^OK. That is what I told my shrink yesterday. I kept saying something like this, "As you know . . . I was doing OK with divorce. . . was working my way thorgh (no auto spell check?)my 'plan', but the PN . . . it just became so painful and fatiguing that it screwed up all of my coginitive functions." He shook his head in affirmation.

Just so you're aware, SS will usually consider medical records beginning 12 months prior to your Alleged Onset Date (AOD) and for mental health records, they'll look back 24 months prior to your AOD.

^^^ Are you saying that they will not consider medical records over the last 6 months? And/or the last 3 months? And/or the last three days? When I called them last week (via the phone number and ext provided on the Function Report Cover Sheet) I asked, "I have skin biospy results that I just got last week from KU. They prove with scientific data (I am outside the ranges on 2 of the 3 sites tested on me), that I have 'small fiber periperal neuropathy'. She with out hesitation, and with enthusiasm said, 'Yes! Attach and send those. Write your name and case # on them."

^^^Thank you very much for providing the listing below. I will put a few comments amongst them:

BP is also a Listed Impairment.

"12.04 Affective disorders: Characterized by a disturbance of mood, accompanied by a full or partial manic or depressive syndrome. Mood refers to a prolonged emotion that colors the whole psychic life; it generally involves either depression or elation.

^^^YES to all the above.

The required level of severity for these disorders is met when the requirements in both A and B are satisfied, or when the requirements in C are satisfied.

^^^OK. Let's take a look. I just need ONE from group A? Understanding that I still need to look at and satisfy B additionally.

A. Medically documented persistence, either continuous or intermittent, of one of the following:

1. Depressive syndrome characterized by at least four of the following:

a. Anhedonia or pervasive loss of interest in almost all activities; or

^^^YES. Told doc.

b. Appetite disturbance with change in weight; or

^^^YES. Told doc. Wt went from a healthy 165, down to an unhealthy 140. I'm 6 foot tall.

c. Sleep disturbance; or

^^^Yes. Told neurologist. I do not think I talked with my shrink about this.

d. Psychomotor agitation or retardation; or

^^^Yes. Talked with my shrink about this.

e. Decreased energy; or

Yes. Talked with my shrink about this.


f. Feelings of guilt or worthlessness; or

^^^Yes, not sure if we discussed it or not.

g. Difficulty concentrating or thinking; or

^^^Yes, I talked with my shrink about this.

h. Thoughts of suicide; or

^^^Yes. Talked to my shrink about this.

i. Hallucinations, delusions, or paranoid thinking; or

^^^Did not talk to my shrink about this but he probably picked up on some 'delusions' and/or 'paranoid thinking'.

2. Manic syndrome characterized by at least three of the following:

a. Hyperactivity; or

^^^I can't remember if the shrink and I talked about this but I imagine he saw it as we talked with each other. I mentioned, "I took 1 mg of Klonopin an hour ago . . . to slow me down enough to have a decent conversation with you." I am allowed 2mgs of Klonopin a day. That was 1 of my 2 mgs for that day.

b. Pressure of speech; or

^^^I don't know what this means.

c. Flight of ideas; or

^^^We have talked in the past and we talked yesterday about, 'how Klonopin slows down all my racing thoughts . . . and makes me settle down and think about them more sanely . . . but I still need help on learning how to cope with the CHRONIC disease of PN.' He shook his head in the affirmative.

d. Inflated self-esteem; or

^^^Have not discussed. The mountain, cannot see the mountain (IE. I am the 'mountain'). Therefore, he might have noted this unbeknownist to me.

e. Decreased need for sleep; or

^^^The same comments as 'd.'

f. Easy distractibility; or

^^^Yes, I have talked to my shrink several times about this. It is a common symptom of ADD. Yes, I know - the topic at hand is BP . . . but there are some overlaps between the two.

g. Involvement in activities that have a high probability of painful consequences which are not recognized; or

^^^Possibly my not showing/having 'proper respect' to my bosses?

h. Hallucinations, delusions or paranoid thinking; or

^^^Have not discussed. Lets go with the mountain theory again. What is 'paranoid thinking'? Is worrying about running out of money 'paranoid thinking'? I do not have hallucinations. I do not think others are out to 'get me' (except for my X-wife).

3. Bipolar syndrome with a history of episodic periods manifested by the full symptomatic picture of both manic and depressive syndromes (and currently characterized by either or both syndromes);

AND

B. Resulting in at least two of the following:

1. Marked restriction of activities of daily living; or

2. Marked difficulties in maintaining social functioning; or

3. Marked difficulties in maintaining concentration, persistence, or pace; or

4. Repeated episodes of decompensation, each of extended duration;

OR

C. Medically documented history of a chronic affective disorder of at least 2 years' duration that has caused more than a minimal limitation of ability to do basic work activities, with symptoms or signs currently attenuated by medication or psychosocial support, and one of the following:

^^^I do not qualify for section C. Thanks again for all your efforts Lit. They are very much appreciated and not done in vain. I may be an $ss at times, but it is NEVER my intent, it is one of my mental illnesses . . . made worse when my feet are being particullary (sp) 'naughty'. END.

1. Repeated episodes of decompensation, each of extended duration; or

2. A residual disease process that has resulted in such marginal adjustment that even a minimal increase in mental demands or change in the environment would be predicted to cause the individual to decompensate; or

3. Current history of 1 or more years' inability to function outside a highly supportive living arrangement, with an indication of continued need for such an arrangement."
^^^Tried to post. It stated that my message was too short . . . Strange considering all the words I wrote above. So, I am adding this to the bottom hoping to correct said problem.
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Any current medical records will of course be considered. They just don't usually care about records farther back than 1 year for medical and 2 years for mental health.

So, if you attempt to provide the adjudicator with the type of letter I pm'd you, quote from medical documentation as close to your AOD as possible, and not farther back then the 1 year med, and 2 year mental health limits.

I think the attorney feels you will win, but not quickly. If you do, he won't receive a dime. This is just a guess on my part.

I think you can be approved at the first stage by meeting the requirements of 1 or more Listed Impairments, but your application will need to be very focused.
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Lit, as always . . . THANK YOU for your assistance.

Understood on paragraph one and two below.

How do I make my application very 'focused'? By doing similar to what you sent me in the PM?

Thanks for the PM! Good stuff. So, on my Function Report as many places as I can put info that is honest about me as it applies to my mental health - do so?

Is the picture now coming together better for you as to why I am not able to work at this time?

Maybe in a year or two I can at least work half-days . . . but the neurologist has GOT to get my feet to make it through a day - or even a half day - which is currently NOT happening - the PN is progressing and becoming MORE disabiling . . . and then my feet have to get through a couple of months . . . . so I can develop some convidence in them that they can handle a daily load consistiently. Now, every day is a 'bad' day with me having to go to my bed to get relief at least twice a day.

Before the PN forced me to stop teaching, via FMLA . . .when at work, by 1130am . . . my feet were pretty well shot. I would drag a mat into my office, close my door, lay on my back . . . .and put my bare feet up on my chair for at least 20 minutes before I would be able to eat my lunch.

Then I would teach 2.5 hours in the afternoon. "Mr. XXX what is that funny smell?" The kids would ask . . . some fellow staff members would do the same.

"Oh . . . just some stuff that Mr. XXX has to put on his feet and muscles at times..." It was daily. Sometimes I would say, "What smell?! I do not smell anything?!"

After teaching, I would leave school at 400pm. Drive the five minutes home with feet that each felt like they weighed fifty pounds (in addition to the usual, burning, numbness, tingling, PAIN, cramps, etc) . . . stumble to my bed... lay there and moan and groan . . . for an hour or two . . . then get up . . . try to do some house work . . . school work . . . and fall back into bed exhausted . . . most nights by 8pm . . . with this cycle occuring for several months . . . I fell further and further behind at school and at home . . . and of course this feuled all of my mental conditions . . . until finally, with great persuasion (sp) from a family doctor . . . I was forced to use FMLA. I did NOT want to use FMLA . . . I wanted to finish the school year - the doc said, "IMPOSSIBLE. You need to stop NOW before you do permenant nerve damage . . . which you have probably already done . . ." and then ultimately resigned my position 3 months later.

Back to 'real time.' Now I have to lay on my brother's bed. I'm staying at his house. Sitting here for an hour and a half typing has made my feet feel quite naughty . . . I can't take the laptop with me to bed . . . because he does not have wireless . . .

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Any current medical records will of course be considered. They just don't usually care about records farther back than 1 year for medical and 2 years for mental health.

So, if you attempt to provide the adjudicator with the type of letter I pm'd you, quote from medical documentation as close to your AOD as possible, and not farther back then the 1 year med, and 2 year mental health limits.

I think the attorney feels you will win, but not quickly. If you do, he won't receive a dime. This is just a guess on my part.

I think you can be approved at the first stage by meeting the requirements of 1 or more Listed Impairments, but your application will need to be very focused.
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You just need to make sure it's clear PN is the main issue and that the mental health issues have been exacerbated. Why is this important? Because you were able to work with the mental health issues prior to that.

There just needs to be a connection. The mental health just seemed to come out of left field. And yes, it's not a bad idea to use the Impaired Listing as a template to make sure you cover those issues that apply. Providing a separate letter like the sample I provided is a good idea too.

My question for you is, if you only had the PN would you still be unable to work? My guess is yes. If I'm correct, treat it that seriously. Think of the PN as cake and your impairments as icing.

DO NOT, discuss, "Maybe in a year or two I can at least work half-days" or you will encourage a denial. You're opening the door for doubt and that you might be capable of working. IF you are able to return to work, that'll be great, but neither you nor your doc can predict that.

The only thing I don't remember seeing you respond to was if your doc had suggested you need a walker or cane. It's a bit inconsistent to claim you're falling and not using a devise to help.
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[We got time to get my report better. I have until 6/13/15 (4pm) to finish it.]

I'm guessing a typo on the date??
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Jo*mar thinks again for watching my back. Big Grin. All my 'drama' and 'errors' on this forum are due to PN making my mental issues WORSE. Thanks again!

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[We got time to get my report better. I have until 6/13/15 (4pm) to finish it.]

I'm guessing a typo on the date??
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Thank you Lit. Your attention to detail is a BIG help. It is an area I struggle with. I am quick to say, "Just give me the big picture please!" I get bored with details (ADD?) YET I know and understand the concept behind 'the 'devil' is in the details.' So, again - a BIG thank you.

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You just need to make sure it's clear PN is the main issue and that the mental health issues have been exacerbated. Why is this important? Because you were able to work with the mental health issues prior to that.

^^^I guess my 2013 FMLA goes back to far? No. You told me two years. Anyway . . . details so I don't know.

^^^In 2013 I was on FMLA for dx'd PTSD. I was teaching at a new and different school that I had to travel to every other afternoon. School A - my main school. I started every morning there. School B - my 'step-child' school. I taught there every other afternoon. Larger classes. Longer class periods. TOTALLY different support/discipline system/management of children's behavior. A big CHANGE . . . that eventually caused me to decomposs (is that the word I want?!) to the point that I was not functioning safely to be around children. Hence my FMLA that year.

There just needs to be a connection. The mental health just seemed to come out of left field.

^^^See above. A major 'monkey wrench' was thrown into my teaching life and sechdule and I did not handle it well. My partner (the music teacher - music and PE switch classes together), who was only in her second year of teaching was also stressed by the situation . . . However, she is of better mind than me and she was able to perservere and get through it. I fell apart. Too much stress . . . and I tend to fall apart. Too much stress is a common trigger for BP.

And yes, it's not a bad idea to use the Impaired Listing as a template to make sure you cover those issues that apply. Providing a separate letter like the sample I provided is a good idea too.

^^^Yes, Lit. Thank you.

My question for you is, if you only had the PN would you still be unable to work? My guess is yes.

^^^You are correct. Yes, if I only had PN I could not work my old job (or probably any job due to my need to lay on a bed at least twice during an 'easy' 8-5 day).

^^^The way things are now -- during a normal 8am - 5pm, of me just walking around my little apartment doing errands in the apt - I must lay down at least twice a day during that time for PN relief. On visitations with my daughters - on blah, blah day - I see them for an 8 hour day - twice a month. Withhout fail . . . when I get them back to their Mom and get back to my little apartment . . . I collaspe on my bed due to PN. All I have done with them was sit and watch them play at a park and/or board/card games with me and them. I lay on the floor as we play the previously mentioned games.

^^^School B drastically improved their management of children for school year 2014 and 2015.

^^^I learned some good coping skills during my FMLA to deal with school B. I had talk and group therapy 3 times a week during FMLA 2013 - that is where i learned the above mentioned coping skills.

^^^School B morphed into a very 'doable' situation due to the factor I just mentioned above. So, mentally . . . school was not a big problem. It only became a big problem again . . . when the PN symptoms were so uncomfortable that I could not think straight . . . I could not stay caught up at school or home . . . my world was slowly (then quickly) as the syptoms got more intense . . . spiralling downward . . . out of control. Then the mental conditions all kicked in on HIGH GEAR.

^^^Please trust and believe me that I sincerely DID NOT want to go on FMLA this year. I begged the doc to give me SOMETHING med-wise so I could finish this school year. The doc said, "ABSOLUTELY NOT! If you are hitting yourself in the head with a hammer . . . and your head hurts . . . PUT DOWN THE HAMMER!" Those were the doc's exact words. Those words were very hard to hear. I wanted to finish . . . Again, I BEGGED the doc for meds (even opiaoptes (sp)) to finish . . . The doc would not budge and after 45 minutes on the phone with me, the doc finally convinced me of the immediate need for me to use FMLA again . . . much to my saddness and disappointment. But, looking back now, I can see it really was the only sane chose I had. Now, I thank the above mentioned doc for his persistence and care of/for me.


If I'm correct, treat it that seriously. Think of the PN as cake and your impairments as icing.

^^^Please define 'impairments' for me. My apologies.

DO NOT, discuss, "Maybe in a year or two I can at least work half-days" or you will encourage a denial. You're opening the door for doubt and that you might be capable of working. IF you are able to return to work, that'll be great, but neither you nor your doc can predict that.

^^^Excellent points. Thank you. At this point, my returning to work is nothing more than 'wishful' thinking on my part . . .

^^^A disabled friend (sickle cell) has told me, "Look. You need a year to get on a treatment plan that works (if that is possible), then once on that plan . . . you need a year (at least) to let your body REST and HEAL itself (if in fact that is possible)."

The only thing I don't remember seeing you respond to was if your doc had suggested you need a walker or cane. It's a bit inconsistent to claim you're falling and not using a devise to help.
^^^When I have pushed too hard and cause my symptoms to flair up and I have 'naughty' feet - 'falling' was an exeraggiton (sp) a bit. However, stumbling twice in my small apartment and having the walls 'catch' me is not. Now that I think more about it - it has happened in my small apt at least 3 times in the last 2 months. Most of my limited movement occurs in my small apartment because I isolate due to the PN.

^^^Stumbling like a drunk WHEN my feet get 'naughty' would be a more accurate description. And, I try to STOP, BEFORE they get that bad . . . head for my bed . . . rest for an hour . . . then up again I go . . . trying to finish my household chores.

^^^Thank you for helping me clarify that better.

^^^Finally, when seeing my shrink yesterday . . . he is on the second floor. I pushed the elevator button. 15 seconds went by and nothing. So, I, by habit - began looking for a stairwell. I found one! Then I quickly reminded myself . . . "You do not do stairs very well any more PN boy. Wait another 15-30 seconds for the elevator . . . " This made me very sad. I have always praticed what I preach as far as loving and being a 'MOVER'. A tennis player and bike rider EVERY weekend I could . . . that has not happened for two years now due to PN . . . . SAD . . . Active man is trying to adjust to being a sedentary man . . . Sad. . . .

^^^Time to get on brother's bed for at least 30 minutes . . . then get ready for my 30 minute drive to KU to see my neurologist. Thanks again.
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One last thing . . . at the end of the school day . . . as I was living to go home . . . kids that stay in the after school program . . . which is in the gym . . .by my office . . . would always give me a 'group hug' as I was living. SEVERAL times I told them, "Thanks for the love. But you really must let go. Mr. XXXX is having balance problems. PLEASE let go . . . I am concerned that we are all going to topple over . . . and I don't want anyone getting hurt."

Naughty feet at the end of a teaching day.

Stumbling like a drunk at the end of a teaching day.
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So the timeline isn't quite so simple. I was thinking you had coped with the mental impairments, the PN became severely disabling and that led to an exacerbation of your mental impairments.

You will need to explain your mental impairments were severe enough where you had to use FMLA, than PN became disabling, and then there was an escalation of your mental impairments.

How to map this out? I'm not really sure within the context of these forms. A letter covering the Listed Impairments and timelines might be appropriate.

The icing was supposed to be your mental impairments.

It sounds like without the PN you could very well have ended not being able to perform that job. (But you might have done better at a job with less social interaction.)

I can do a pretty good job of being able to edit out what shouldn't be there, but it's trickier to know what you should include because I just don't know your history.
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