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tkrik 10-03-2009 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyC (Post 573874)
And just tell me why a respectable gun toting citizen would go to a bar, if he didn't want to drink????

To get all the other things that bars offer. LOL j/k

Bars can be fun to socialize with friends and such. Like I mentioned, I have only been to them a couple of times in the past year, mainly because friends were in town visiting. I don't drink at all anymore due to the medications. While I may have a sip of beer or wine from time to time it has been several years since I had a whole beer by myself. The point is, they are fun for the socializing with friends and dancing or people watching. That's all I would go for.

tkrik 10-03-2009 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Aarcyn (Post 573875)
I support the 2nd Amendment. That is not the issue I originally brought up.

I take prescription drugs. Many of these drugs can be /are abused. However, I am a responsible person under the direction of my equally responsible doctor.

There is a good place for guns and a good reason for a gun (not for me but I do respect others).

Concealed gun in a bar? Cannot go there with you. I have never heard of anyone holding up patrons in a bar. Stagecoach days are over, holding up an train went out of vogue with Jesse James and his ilk.

If you want to hunt, okay. I could not kill an animal and eat it. I can just go to a grocery store and eat the products sold, not wildlife. But that is my choice.

Home invasion? luckily rare in my neighborhood, in fact never.

Circumstances dictate gun use. Guns in bars, just ridiculous in my never so humble opinion.

It does have something to do with the 2nd amendment, which was written how many years ago? What was life like back then? Certainly not what it is today. Also, the NRA financially supports many politicians. Need I say more.

Cyn - I don't agree with concealed weapons in a bar or out of a bar. In fact, I don't agree with visible either. Whose to say someone doesn't just grab it.:eek: There is a place for guns - shooting ranges, hunting, and things like that.

I was telling DDs about this new law and DD19 made a sarcastic comment something to the effect of guns in bars? who make that brilliant decision? LOL

I'm on board with you Cyn. I just don't think it is the best idea based on both my experience in bars and what happens in them. There have been too many unnecessary shootings in bars around here that I just don't get it.

Jomar 10-03-2009 02:27 PM

lot's of people go to the bars drunk {or drugged:(}already -to save on costs of bar drinks.

braingonebad 10-04-2009 06:41 AM

I have guns, I like guns, I see a good reason for folks to be able to learn to use them to protect home, family, business with them or shoot for fun at targets, to hunt, whatever. But I can't get on board with patrons of bars bringing them in, concealed or otherwise. Yikes. Bad enough they're sneaking them in against the law.

But then I don't go to bars. I can't understand why they are allowed to have a place you drive to, drink, and drive away from. Isn't drinking and driving against the law?

I take that seriously. I'd never want to kill someone with my car anymore than with my pistol.

Becca44 10-04-2009 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Dejibo (Post 573116)
My state as well had folks show up to the Obama rally WITH fire arms strapped on. As I said, we are an open carry state, and they were expressing their 2nd amendment rights. The right to bear arms. it is in the constitution that we are allowed to carry such things. My constitution tells me I am allowed to carry/use such things. I am well trained, well educated, a non drinker, and a responsible citizen. its the citizen that doesnt apply for permits, classes, or education that scares me. Sorry, not gonna give up my gun. Not for a public rally, nor a private meeting.

???

The 'right to bear arms' doesn't mean you can carry a gun wherever you want... I'm sure you've noticed this if you've ever been searched entering a private event where the president is physically present, or a court house, an airport, a rock concert...

In so far as those public political rallies go, if you think it's okay for people to bring their loaded guns - prepare to pay more of your precious tax dollars so Federal Secret Service and Security forces can surround and potentially 'isolate' the gun toters 'just in case', becuase that's what they're having to do.

SallyC 10-04-2009 11:17 AM

Thanks Becca for the voice of reason, in all of us...or, most of us..;)

Dejibo 10-04-2009 03:13 PM

We will have to agree to disagree on this one. Sorry, not giving up my weapon.

Momma's Kids 10-04-2009 03:46 PM

Interesting thread...

I've read the posts and I came to a couple of decisions...
1. Having a registered gun/permit does not necessarily make a person more responsible regarding drinking. Being at a bar with a gun does not necessarily mean a person is going to drink and pull out his gun. There are reports of people leaving a public place, comes back and shoots somebody over an argument.

2. There are always going to be people that own guns illegally, doesn't mean that they are going to shoot you because they have one.

3. I'm more concerned with that person owning a gun that has shot someone with no regard for human life. The person addicted getting a gun so they can rob someone to feed the addiction.

4. I believe that children as well as adults need to be educated regarding guns, they are not toys, they are not something to show and tell to friends and that safety is the most important. If you have to pull a gun, then you better be ready to use it, otherwise, you don't need one.

5. If you are that scared of going to a bar without a gun, stay home and drink. I also know that a gun is not the only way to kill or maim, screw drivers, knives, baseball bats, cars, etc.

I would be a little concerned, because the first time this law is used in a court room because Joe shot John at the local Dew Drop Inn...

Its just my half penny thought which might not make any sense at all since I just walked into the wall...again!:eek:

Momma's Kids 10-04-2009 03:52 PM

[QUOTE=Erin524;573056]downing a dozen beers and shoot up the place. (not everyone goes to a bar to drink alcohol. I never did...I went to the bar to play darts and hang out with my friends)

My DH and I use to play in tournaments...he was rated 5th in the nationals...now he is just too old.

:D

...now back to our regular Arizona discussion...

Becca44 10-04-2009 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dejibo (Post 574261)
We will have to agree to disagree on this one. Sorry, not giving up my weapon.

That doesn't change a thing Dejibo. :) Disagreeing doesn't change the fact that you WILL be legally barred by authorities from entering certain places due to your unwillingness to separate yourself from your gun. THAT is your choice (like, I'll fly in a plane and you can drive to wherever it is you're going, and I'll go to the live show, you can watch it on DVD, etc.). Nothing to debate about here - it is what it is and the laws are what they are.


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