I don;t mean by any means to suck it up, but we need to change the way we do things';

An EMG is NOT going to find early TOS as the sensory nerves are tested, the ones that feel heat....the nerves tested during an EMG are the motor nerves which are larger, and last effected. These are the nerves that make your hand jerk back from the heat when the sensory nerves "feel" it.

Did Rick Reed do your test at the Upper Extremity inst do your test,
Dr Rick Reed or Tom Tolsom are the tops in inturpurting and diagx TOS on EMG by the wave patterns.
I had an EMG that showed nothing, but Tolson did mine with the receiver in my palm and the transmitter along my collar bone that was sending the signal. This showed the tos

When you raise your hands up in the air, like you are being held up the "stick em up" position.....bring your arms back that you feel it tight in the center back. This will close or compress the outlet if it is the issue.

See how long you can hold your hands up like this, 15 sec 2 minutes? Count how long they are up and when you feel what symptoms.

But never give up, see what you have and work with it. One thought, PT every day of the week is work....those nerves need to rest.
It is not a no pain no gain with TOS. You want to relax the spasms instead of inflaming muscles and nerves.
Have you seen Scott Fried?
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The usual tests of raising arm, etc., don't show on me.

But there are times when my arms will turn bright red for no reason - the only problem is that I can't make them do that in front of a doc!!! It's not like a trick pony!!!

Babsie, I know how frustrating this all is. It was very hard, is still hard, for me to accept and understand that I have an incurable condition.

BUT, if you can get a VERY good pain mgt. specialist, you can work together to keep trying different drug combinations to bring down the pain so at least you can be the best you can be.



It's nice also to know that we are here if you need us.

when i raised my arms by 20 seconds my hands had alot of tingling going through them, my arms felt a little burning

Possibly what you are having now could be some adhesions & impingement's causing trouble.

If you read about fascia and how it can get sticky-- this stickiness can make the muscles stick to the nerves and cause a lot of problems.
There is no test that will really prove it.
But you can read about it and try some of the stretches and passive positions to see if after a time some improvement is happening for you.

Sharon Butlers repetitive strain injury Book really helped me to understand about fascia, but I had to re read it a few times and do the stretches in her book to for it to really sink in.
And it did help me quite a lot.
She also has a website with a lot of information on it.
www.selfcare4rsi.com