[johannakat]

I felt Dr Ahn had an edge, technically, over everyone else. He was able to boil our discussion down to the important points. He listened to my concerns, addressed them, and gave me the tools to make the most informed decision i could make. He was able to explain with amazing clarity some of the things I had wondered talking to everyone else.

I don't think any of the surgeons I visited would be bad choices. They are all highly respected and very familiar with TOS. I am glad I saw each one of them because they all made their own positive contribution to my research.

Dr Jordan's ultrasounds and special scalene block of the right side confirmed my dx early on as well as the presence of a fibrous band and an extra artery. The botox injections that I had two times after were futher confirmation that TOS was indeed the culprit.

Dr Ahn's use of the above mentioned two tools for diagnosis of TOS is an excellent and efficient choice, because they are sound. I think it seemed abrupt to me the first time I visitied because I didn't feel like Dr Ahn/Reil really thought about me, they just were hungry for my business. In fact, I don't think that is the case, i think they just really trust Dr Jordan (as well they should because he is awesome ) He would probably be my first choice even if I didn't live in LA.

Dr Filler's neurography confirmed the aggravation of C8 on the left side, which was very helpful to me to describe and identify the pain in the back of my left shoulder. I think he has really developed something great , and I hope the reasearch can be put together to make it a more generally accepted diagnostic tool. Even though I had the impression that other doctors didn't really take the MRN seriously, I found most of these surgeons were happy to talk to me about it and what it showed. I think it supported my symptoms so well that it made good sense. However, I am not keen on his partial scalenectomy with neuroplasty procedure, it was my least favorite of the 5.

Dr Weaver- well, I guess he was my token "maybe you ought to do more PT" and frankly that sugggestion made me more sure i was ready for surgery than anything else...! Also, his lack of interest in nerve compression made me more aware how important mine was. his supraclavicular scalenectomy and rib resction would have been pick number 4, based on Dr Jordan's high marks for Dr weaver's work.

Dr Brantigan- That's where I got the paper that suggested the scalenectomy along with rib resection for upper plexus symptoms. This was a key finding for me. Also enjoyed learning about his apporach based on anatomical anomalies. He was a bit gruff and not at all modest . I was dissapointed to find that he did not know about Dr Jordan's ultrasound procedure, seemed like a gap in his TOS knowledge. I would have picked him as option 3.

Dr Sanders- Simple version of left scalene block helped me feel quite distinctly how bad my "good" arm felt. Really enjoyed his office personality, extremely genuine and personable. Also offered up the MAC study which clearly showed abnormalities on both sides. He is clearly an "hands on" type doctor. Felt a little more old fashioned in that way. I think he has something special and he was an easy second choice.

one thing i am still confused about:
I am not sure what to make of the descrepancy in statistics for scalenectomy alone. UCLA studies and Dr Ahn claim a 45-55% success rate for scalenectomy alone, and Dr Sanders claims a 70% success rate. I think for that to be real, there must be something special that Sanders does and others don't. I know he does a more complete scalenectomy than Filler, but I don't think it is more complete than what Dr Ahn does. So, I am just not sure what to make of it.

I really hope I have made the right decision. I guess for all of us, only time will tell....all of them suggested that it takes about 18 months for scar tissue to stabilize, so I guess it'll be that long before i really know if it worked.

If it does or doesn't work, I am not sure I'll ever know how much of a role the surgeon really played in it. How can we ever know? Statistics only matter to a bunch of people...for each individual it either works or doesn't.

ah, it is late and I am rambling.

PLEASE feel free to point out errors, omissions, ask questions, or whatever.

If you actually bothered to read all of my crazy ramblings, you are probably also looking for a surgeon, and I'd be happy to share any forgotten details any time.




And thanks again to everyone who shared their input with me over the past few months.


Johanna

[kjjmt51]

Originally Posted by johannakat

I felt Dr Ahn had an edge, technically, over everyone else. He was able to boil our discussion down to the important points. He listened to my concerns, addressed them, and gave me the tools to make the most informed decision i could make. He was able to explain with amazing clarity some of the things I had wondered talking to everyone else.

I don't think any of the surgeons I visited would be bad choices. They are all highly respected and very familiar with TOS. I am glad I saw each one of them because they all made their own positive contribution to my research.

Dr Jordan's ultrasounds and special scalene block of the right side confirmed my dx early on as well as the presence of a fibrous band and an extra artery. The botox injections that I had two times after were futher confirmation that TOS was indeed the culprit.

Dr Ahn's use of the above mentioned two tools for diagnosis of TOS is an excellent and efficient choice, because they are sound. I think it seemed abrupt to me the first time I visitied because I didn't feel like Dr Ahn/Reil really thought about me, they just were hungry for my business. In fact, I don't think that is the case, i think they just really trust Dr Jordan (as well they should because he is awesome ) He would probably be my first choice even if I didn't live in LA.

Dr Filler's neurography confirmed the aggravation of C8 on the left side, which was very helpful to me to describe and identify the pain in the back of my left shoulder. I think he has really developed something great , and I hope the reasearch can be put together to make it a more generally accepted diagnostic tool. Even though I had the impression that other doctors didn't really take the MRN seriously, I found most of these surgeons were happy to talk to me about it and what it showed. I think it supported my symptoms so well that it made good sense. However, I am not keen on his partial scalenectomy with neuroplasty procedure, it was my least favorite of the 5.

Dr Weaver- well, I guess he was my token "maybe you ought to do more PT" and frankly that sugggestion made me more sure i was ready for surgery than anything else...! Also, his lack of interest in nerve compression made me more aware how important mine was. his supraclavicular scalenectomy and rib resction would have been pick number 4, based on Dr Jordan's high marks for Dr weaver's work.

Dr Brantigan- That's where I got the paper that suggested the scalenectomy along with rib resection for upper plexus symptoms. This was a key finding for me. Also enjoyed learning about his apporach based on anatomical anomalies. He was a bit gruff and not at all modest . I was dissapointed to find that he did not know about Dr Jordan's ultrasound procedure, seemed like a gap in his TOS knowledge. I would have picked him as option 3.

Dr Sanders- Simple version of left scalene block helped me feel quite distinctly how bad my "good" arm felt. Really enjoyed his office personality, extremely genuine and personable. Also offered up the MAC study which clearly showed abnormalities on both sides. He is clearly an "hands on" type doctor. Felt a little more old fashioned in that way. I think he has something special and he was an easy second choice.

one thing i am still confused about:
I am not sure what to make of the descrepancy in statistics for scalenectomy alone. UCLA studies and Dr Ahn claim a 45-55% success rate for scalenectomy alone, and Dr Sanders claims a 70% success rate. I think for that to be real, there must be something special that Sanders does and others don't. I know he does a more complete scalenectomy than Filler, but I don't think it is more complete than what Dr Ahn does. So, I am just not sure what to make of it.

I really hope I have made the right decision. I guess for all of us, only time will tell....all of them suggested that it takes about 18 months for scar tissue to stabilize, so I guess it'll be that long before i really know if it worked.

If it does or doesn't work, I am not sure I'll ever know how much of a role the surgeon really played in it. How can we ever know? Statistics only matter to a bunch of people...for each individual it either works or doesn't.

ah, it is late and I am rambling.

PLEASE feel free to point out errors, omissions, ask questions, or whatever.

If you actually bothered to read all of my crazy ramblings, you are probably also looking for a surgeon, and I'd be happy to share any forgotten details any time.




And thanks again to everyone who shared their input with me over the past few months.


Johanna

Hi Johanna. I'm newly diagnosed and have had two appts with Dr Ahn who recommends PT and scalenectomy (not FRRS yet) if PT doesn't work. I've tried to search patients with surgical experiences with him in this group to no avail. I know it's been a long time since you had surgery but wonder how you felt about your outcome, etc.

Thanks
Kate