I must've been half asleep when I sent that previous post - it's terrible!

I've also been going through the exact problems - did you find the root of the cause? I have a winging scapula and the 2nd is now beginning to give me issues. I've had it noticeably for 2 years now and undergone physio/rehab to strengthen the lower traps and activate the serratus - of course nothing's work.

I've been given the run around by a hatfull of docs, physios and specialists.

However, none of them had pinpointed the cause. I have rotated hips, which COULD be the cause, but all the docs dismiss this as tripe.

My symptoms are:

- Overactive trap due to tilting/winging scapula
- numbness in ear, cheek, arm and hand - possible trapped ulnar
- Extremely tight neck and soreness
- Impinged shoulder
- Weakness in arm
- Spasms in both arms

I'd be interested to know if rizzo02481 made any progress.

Thanks,

Dan

Did you try loosening pec minor before strengthening your back?

If you don't, the tug of war between anterior and posterior muscles will continue.

I'd also look into Foundation Training. I'm convinced that a lot of lower body muscle imbalance contributes to upper body issues first. The lower back, glutes, and hamstrings need to be working together so the upper body can be straightened out.

KY

Thanks for your reply.

I've tried that in the past but due to the rotation of the shoulder his has causing a pinching of a nerve within and is unbearable.

I've also used a hockey ball to massage the pec. Is this enough alone?

My left scap has started to wing now. Is this the natural journey?

I'll research the foundation training.

Thanks.

A hockey ball should be enough.

Try doing it a few times per day for a week.

Which way is your shoulder not rotating?

It's rotating anteriorly. I've tried attaching images but I haven't submitted 10 posts yet.

The left is now following suit. Have you suffered from something similar?

If the shoulder is rotating anteriorly that's exactly why you have to loosen up pec minor. Pec minor, if tight, will pull that shoulder forward so no matter what kind of strengthening you do to the posterior muscles, it wont budge. All you'll create is more tension due to the tug of war going on.

Having a tight pec mnor and having my shoulders too internally rotated has no doubt contributed to my bouts with TOS.

KY

Thanks for the advice. I've been getting the hockey ball involved for the past few months and gave up a couple of weeks ago as I was dubious about progress. I got it back out again today and will be for the foreseeable. Have you made progress with yours? Mine seems to be getting worse each day,

I have.

I keep getting out of trouble with pec minor massage.

I just need to stay out of trouble. That seems to be the problem.

I hope you recover and fast!

I've undergone all these same physio for years now and it's gotten a lot worse over the past 3 months. There's a trapped nerve in there somewhere, the ulnar I reckon as my cheek and ear is numb.

What does your rehab programme look like?

What's your advice on my opposite site subsiding?

I keep getting into and out of trouble with the following:

Stretching/Tissue:

* Pec minor
* Subclavius
* Scalenes

Resistance Training:

* Cable rows
* Rear delt work
* Prone cobras
* Lat Pulldowns
* Face pulls
* Scapular wall slides

All of the above works the mid to low traps, rhomboids, and lats. This helps pull the shoulders back and down which can further stretch out the thoracic area.

Most recenty, I've started Foundation Training. This focuses on strengthening the core which is defined as low back, glutes, and hamstrings, but it really helps to decompress the entire spine and promotes good posture.

So far so good, but I have a feeling that the presence of cervical ribs and my stubborness in the gym will keep getting me in trouble here and there.

KY