Thoracic Outlet Syndrome Thoracic Outlet Syndrome/Brachial Plexopathy. In Memory Of DeAnne Marie.

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Old 02-24-2012, 12:06 AM #21
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Thanks for chiming in.

As I also get relief from shoving my first rib down but then experience it come back up, I end up wondering if the root cause of my TOS is muscle tension. Something has to pull the rib up and that's the muscles. Which would be the two scalenes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gray124.png). Which would explain why some people get relief from botox and/or removal on the scalenes; or from diazepam relaxing the muscles.

Not that there aren't other causes. Some people have cervicle ribs, auto accidents, etc. But I've already had my xrays.

I'm thinking I need:
-- more scalene stretches
-- followed by first rib adjustment
-- more meditation

Maybe also find a masseuse who can work over those scalenes good.
Chroma, tell me again what your imaging said--? I had no clue you could move ribs until reading some of your posts. Hmmm!
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Old 02-24-2012, 04:15 AM #22
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Hi Chroma and Anne,
I have been interested in valium for awhile but reading about the amnesia problems of benzos concerns me. Are you guys having any amnesia probs? What are the side effects like? Any info is much appreciated.

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I can't recall if I have had problems with amnesia.

Bwahahaha! I couldn't resist.

I develop software for a living which requires some mental acrobatics and I'm doing great. The biggest thing that ever caused me mental issues was the TOS and neck tension which would leave me feeling dizzy / light-headed.

Diazepam does make me feel a little spacey. Recently I'm trying to use it just at night so that I can focus better in the morning. The good results I'm getting from the stretch+rib adjustment as well as other kinds of progress has made me feel like I can try this.

I would be interested to know at what threshold of dosage the literature says that benzos can cause amnesia or any other problems. I was only doing 2 mg 2 X per day.

In a nutshell, on that dosage, I didn't notice any concerning effects.
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Chroma, tell me again what your imaging said--?
My xrays are basically normal. I've had 3 chiros and 1 vascular surgeon look at the xrays and none them found a smoking gun or had any major concerns. So no cervical ribs or deformations.

One of the chiros really stared hard at my TOS side in the xray and thought I had minor hints of things like elongated transverse process, or whatever it is. He could have been right or he could have been seeing what he was looking for. Even so, he wasn't concerned.

I believe my problem sources are:

-- muscle tension (improved now)
-- stress (improved now)
-- posture (pretty much fixed now)
-- hypertrophied upper traps (not improved)
-- And then the negative feedback loops that kick in. I mean once your circulation goes to hell and/or pain sets in, you get more stressed and more tension. You could even get more muscle tension from reduced circulation, in my experience.

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I had no clue you could move ribs until reading some of your posts. Hmmm!
Until I learned about TOS last year, I didn't know I had a rib in my neck!

The movement is minor. Like millimeters, but the blood vessels are small, so uncompressing a couple of millimeters could mean a major % increase in blood flow over the baseline of when the vessel is compressed.

Something I read pointed out that all of your blood vessels and nerves are softer than all of your muscles, tendons, ligaments and bones. Therefore, we see these problems with neurovascular compression.

Anyway, search google and youtube for "first rib adjustment" and you'll at least find the active adjustments done by PTs, chiros and osteopaths. With some digging you should find some of the self adjustment ones. Interesting stuff.
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At the bottom of this page is a technique to mobilize the rib:

http://www.nismat.org/ptcor/thoracic_outlet

Which then also provides another search term.
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