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I agree with jomar

Just find a really really good fascia/pt chiro for tos area (for NTOS, vascular i don't know about)

But if you have myofascial pain syndrome all over that means your metabolism is busted imho

Stoxen claims to have seen 30,000 TOS patients and not one had surgery.

I watched his lecture, he definitely has extensive knowledge of TOS but I have a very hard time believing his assertion.

https://vimeo.com/22362794

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Originally Posted by fdupshoulders (Post 979085)

Interesting video. I watched the whole thing. TOS is more complex than most people realize.

30,000 patients is a lot

30,000 patients is a lot. It seems funny to me that no one here seems to know much about him. It seems like people would be singing his praises.

i havent seen the whole video but his point about not stretching your neck bc it pulls up the rib is good

i dont agree with the shoulder stuff

he thinks tos is way under dx'd so that's probably how he's seen so many tos patients.

I watched the whole video and agree with much of it, including the shoulder stuff (TOS presents differently in all of us). I believe conservative management should be attempted before surgery and the therapist needs to be trained properly in rib mobilization. I wouldn't travel to see this guy expecting a miracle however.

http://teamdoctorsblog.com/2012/08/0...-dc-chapter-1/

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Team Doctors Chiropractic Treatment and Training Centers has been around for about 57 years. It has been a practice in our family for many years. Since 1986 we have had over 30,000 new patients. From 1992 – 2012 we have had approximately 4,000 new patients with some form of peripheral nerve symptoms originating either in the neck or lower back. Statistically, we have numerous cases of thoracic outlet syndrome. We have had a great amount of experience in working with patients with thoracic outlet syndrome.

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Conservative therapy vs Surgery

I always start every treatment with a 30 minute deep tissue massage treatment of the shoulders, chest, back neck, arms, forearms, hands and even the skull to warm up the area.

Conservative Management is Challenging because I have found that you have to administer deep tissue for over an hour on the first visit just to get through all the muscles that are compressing the outlet. Insurance doesn’t pay for a visit that long but I do it anyway. I don’t know if other doctors are willing to park over patients this long to get these spasms fully treated.

I have spent up to 30 hours doing deep tissue on severe thoracic outlet syndrome cases. They were headed for surgery and did not want it so you just do what it takes, right?

I know they would have never recovered if I would have treated them for the standard of care amount of time or gave them an adjustment without the extensive deep tissue.

Conservative management has been very challenging with thoracic outlet syndrome. The majority of the patients, over 90 %, in most cases are having surgery of the neck to remove the first rib or a cervical rib in the neck and also surgery to remove muscles in the neck. I don’t know about you, but no surgery looks very exciting for patients and it’s a very depressing and frightening experience for patients.

[Since 1986 we have had over 30,000 new patients]
[we have numerous cases of thoracic outlet syndrome]

[I thought the 30,000 was very high number if only TOS patients - but that # is for all their patients/clients.

I think they do have some very good info mentioned, but I wonder about the limited number of sessions /time frame of treatment equaling lasting results.
Especially for anyone that would be traveling a long distance.

Let me express the problems I had in watching the video.

He makes it seem like medical doctors do not have a patient's interests in mind and implies chiros are somehow more altruistic.

He does not talk about the serious vascular risks when some vascular cases need prompt/immediate surgical intervention.

He spends only 15 secs at the end of the video stating that patients failing conservative treatment (12 weeks without improvement) require surgery. Yet he says he's never had a patient have surgery. My only guess is he never hears from them again once they start down the surgical path.

I don't like chiros that perpetrate as medical doctors and this guy strikes me as such. I do see a chiro who I like.

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Originally Posted by nospam (Post 979638)

Thank you for your perception. I have been seeing neurological chiropractor and massage therapist. My shoulder doesn't move properly now. I think my problem is now muscle from no being able to use them for so long and all the Botox they tried.

There is a member named "drewanderson" who stated in another thread that they flew from Florida to Chicago to see this chiropractor and said that they really helped with the TOS. Unfortunately, the info provided was not very specific or detailed so we are left wondering exactly how it helped or what treatment was provided.

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Originally Posted by Msudawg89 (Post 979702)