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Old 02-07-2008, 11:41 AM #21
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"The benefit of this surgical technique manifests immediately because of the disappearance of the vascular and neurological compression produced by the anterior scalene muscles at C6-C7 and by the sternocleidomastoideo muscles at the entrance of the brain where the Atlas is situated. This has been demonstrated in patients with CTOS, Symptomatic Parkinson's, Functional Alzheimer, Early Symptomatic Parkinson's, psychological disturbances by hypoxia, Epilepsy, multiple Sclerosis, hemodynamic Parkinsonism and threat of gangrene of the upper limbs."

Tam, are you saying you have CTOS? Is this in addition to or diff from regular TOS? The surgery sounds very positive but I didn't understand the MickeyMouse & DDuck refs.

Fern and Milou - what we were doing as an experiment was to take one of our articles that we had on the Web and obviously mess them up (and then we took them off of here very quickly so that people would not rely upon them or violate the terms here) and then ask, how would someone really know if they had gotten a messed up version? I think in talking it all out, that research, as Jo's thread suggested, would be best. I, personally, see what doctor wrote the article himself, (or herself), and I call him and talk to him (sometimes they will talk for hours about TOS) and I have gotten so much information that way, and what I should do about my treatment. (Also, that was before my surgery, so there was a lot of talk about whether they would have the surgery themselves.)

So this was sort of an off-hand question that seemed to get bigger as I asked myself about it.

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Old 02-07-2008, 03:31 PM #22
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It sounds reasonable. I do not think we can use these articles to exactly find a name for our symptoms, but to get an understanding ,how things can be connected. Dont know if you have read my story under the thread "symptoms of TOS" i think it is. But I have had many neurological symptoms (and not only in upper part of body), and most of them are gone after surgery. That makes one think that this is not as simple as some would say. Only reason i am researching again is, that some symptoms get worse again, and i worry about that. The more i know, the better treament i hope to get, if i get the need again. How to use the knowledge ? That depends of the situation, the patient and the doctor. Let me hear if you come any further in research - i will do the same.Though, I have difficulty to belive, someone would use their time to fake such articles. For what reason??
But that dosnt mean other doctors believe or agree.
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Milou, I will read your story you have posted. I look forward to getting to know you better as we progress. Also note that for some reason last night, my fiance thought it would be funny to change some of my posts just a little to make me "not to serious" as he put it...in my opinion, it was not funny at all, and I like funny pranks, but I am going to go through and fix the unfunny pranks now...(as if I had nothing better to do while in pain but to fix bad pranks. So sorry!!!

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Milou, I will read your story you have posted. I look forward to getting to know you better as we progress. Also note that for some reason last night, my fiance thought it would be funny to change some of my posts just a little to make me "not to serious" as he put it...in my opinion, it was not funny at all, and I like funny pranks, but I am going to go through and fix the unfunny pranks now...(as if I had nothing better to do while in pain but to fix bad pranks. So sorry!!!
Tshadov - i have not had the intention to make you feel to serious. Of cource you are serious - its your health and quality of life. Just got worried I had given someone falls hopes by linking this article. Nothing wrong with your way to react!!!!! I have been there myself
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Oh forgot: My post is not on the TOS symptoms thread but the "Questions for TOS"
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I've got a whole host of probs in addition to TOS including the throat clearing, hypermobility (which is now affecting various joints), cervical disc and joint disease, fibromyalsia (though not severe), shoulder blade (knifelike) pain, muscle spasms in the upper back, shoulder arm and hand pains, and a lot of head and ear stuff--fullness in the face and jaw area, pain in the jaw, pain that radiates down from the ear, very stuffy ears, extreme pain during and after flying (enough that i hardly ever fly and gave up any multiple flights per day), and plenty of tinnitus.

but for me i found i have a CSF leak that goes into my ear. i'm planning on having that repaired very soon. i was hoping the surgery would clear up many of my ear symptoms but i was told that they are likely to be unrelated. i would like to learn how the ear symptoms are related to TOS before having the surgery.

I also have gum problems. I was told that they were possibly caused from taking so much Neuronitn for so long but I realize that the nerves might be affected from the TOS. Anybody else have gum probs?

The neurologist I saw last week tried to tell me I have carpal tunnel and also elbow tunnel and shoulder probs in addition to or instead of TOS but he isn't very knowledgable about TOS. I'm afraid my list could go on if I am to include everything. I have a real propensity to develop RSIs from doing just about any activity--but I now think that that is due to the hypermobility. My recent PT told me that she believes that the hypermobility helped lead to all of my problems-from neck to TOS and all extremity probs.
Hi Fern
Have you seen a cardiac surgeon ?? to make sure, you do not have vascular Tos. As far as I know the ear symptoms could stem from compression of the vertebral artery.
I had lots of neurological symptoms before my surgery (and seen lots of neuros, who found nothing in spite of severe vascular tos on both sides) . I was only seen by a cardiac for the TOS. He dit not go in to the neorological things but emphasised that of cource there were nerve impingment, when there were vascular.
Sounds reasonable that hypermobility could course our problems in the first place, but not much research on that from what i have seen.

Ps. I often have pain from the "neck" of my tooth, but have never had the thought, this could be connected too.

If you have more "odd" symptoms , would you please tell about them.??? My intention is to list the results when there are more replies, so we could all get a broader wiew on this.

Anyone else who have symptoms or conditions that is not considered of your doc to have connection to your TOS? I myself will add the symptoms i have not mentioned yet, those i had before my surgery. I just need a few days to get the time doing it.
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Hi Fern
Have you seen a cardiac surgeon ?? to make sure, you do not have vascular Tos. As far as I know the ear symptoms could stem from compression of the vertebral artery.
I had lots of neurological symptoms before my surgery (and seen lots of neuros, who found nothing in spite of severe vascular tos on both sides) . I was only seen by a cardiac for the TOS. He dit not go in to the neorological things but emphasised that of cource there were nerve impingment, when there were vascular.
Sounds reasonable that hypermobility could course our problems in the first place, but not much research on that from what i have seen.
Milou--I do have vascular TOS and it's much worse on the same side as my CSF leak and the side of the much worse ear. It's the subclavian artery that has been tested as opposed to the vertebral artery. (I did have that tested by MRI some time ago when they were looking for a possible "bruit" due to noise I felt I was hearing in my head. I didn't have the bruit. Are you saying that you found that ear pain was due to TOS? If so can you explain please. I'll think about my add'l symptoms and post when I can.
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Take a look at this Triggerpoint chart - find where your pain or symptoms are and then click to read more info and see pictures and also self care that you can do to see if it helps.
http://www.pressurepointer.com/pain_reference_chart.htm

Ear & Jaw pain is in the middle of the right hand column
you would then click on the Trapezius or SCM to see more info about those.
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