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Excellent idea Concussed Scientist! I can give some perspectives from a caregiver's point of view.

1) Treat a brain injury at least as gently as you would a torn ACL. It's scary watching someone you love struggle to do simple things and as a caregiver you want it to get better immediately. You wouldn't be surprised if a knee with a torn ACL buckled if walked on too soon, so give your person a break and give them time and space to heal.

2) Rest in the dark and quiet. Restrict your person's exposure to noise and light and things that require concentration (TV, texting, crowds, excited conversation, etc.). Entertainment should be limited to low stress, chatty, mostly one-sided conversations. For example, I would shut all the curtains, turn off radios and TVs, and talk with my daughter about something as trivial as our dog's activities for the day. This of course required some serious creativity on my part but it was soothing and undemanding for her.

3) Learn something about reflexology and/or accupressure. Gail Denton's "Brainlash" is a fantastic resource for this. These activities not only give your person some non-prescription relief from symptoms, but they make you feel like you're DOING something to help. There is nothing worse than standing there helpless as someone you love endures agonizing pain.

4) Keep a journal for your loved one. Resist the temptation to ask "how are you" 50 times a day. Just keep track of simple things like whether or not they are still cringing when someone empties the dishwasher, or how quickly or slowly they go up stairs, or the status of their sense of humor, or whether or not they show memory from yesterday or last week. These little indicators can really help you start finding patterns that exacerbate or alleviate symptoms.

5) No offense to anyone here, but one big rule of thumb is not to completely trust the brain injured person for information about themselves. Sometimes my daughter would say, "I had a great day, I feel good." Then the next day she would say, "Oh yeah, I went to the nurse's office with a headache twice yesterday it was awful." Or when she told the neuro, "I'm having two or three headaches a day," only to say at the next appointment, "I'm down to having two or three headaches a day, before I had a constant headache most days." She was seeing double for most of the year but didn't really realize it.
It takes a lot of energy for the injured person to describe how they are feeling in a way that the caregiver can understand. They simply don’t have the energy, or feel so bad, that they don’t provide the information you might need to help them make decisions. You must learn to observe. Those scary, glassy-eyed stares should be read as neon signs saying, “closed for business…temporarily shut down”. It’s tempting to try to get the person to re-engage, talk, whatever when that happens but that’s when they really need to rest.


6) You MUST advocate for your person. Research any symptoms that might respond to some kind of treatment (i.e. ambient vision, hormone/adrenal/thyroid issues, vestibular problems). It's up to you to research and find the right docs to help. You must also help them navigate through school or work or household responsibilities and especially help with personal relationships to reduce stress. Help them make decisions so that they don’t hurt themselves again (i.e. sledding is a bad idea right now, wear shoes with traction, eat your protein, etc.).

I'm sure there are about a million other things for caregivers to know. These are the biggest things I wish someone could have told me when we first started this journey.

One final note, it does get better. It sometimes takes a very long time, and your loved one may always have a lower threshold for headaches or other symptoms, but there is reason to hope. Doctors start saying: "It can take 3 months," then, "it will take at least 6 months," then they start talking in terms of a year or more, it is very scary and very frustrating.

I was obsessed with timeframes at the beginning. Here’s a little synopsis from what I've experienced and heard from other moms:

First 3 months are, frankly, terrifying as the cascade of cell death evens out and you start realizing that this is serious and it isn't going to go away in three weeks. We are used to people experiencing improvements from one day to the next following a serious injury. Brain injuries do not follow this pattern. There may be several good days followed by several bad. It’s unpredictable. Steep learning curve for caregivers and loved ones.
3-6 months: Things sort of maintain in a fairly terrible state. Lots of symptoms but you aren't as alarmed by them now and you're learning coping techniques. Hopefully by now you’ve seen a good doctor who can explain when you should go to the emergency room and when you should just be patient and what else you need to do.

6 months: Lots of people notice huge improvements in pain and cognitive symptoms around this point. Fatigue and feeling easily overwhelmed seem to be main culprits.

By one year most people seem to have chased down therapies for any treatable injuries and seem to have pinpointed triggers and "work arounds". At one year my daughter had very subtle issues. Now, at 15 months, she answered someone that she was a 9 out of a 10 when compared to before. That's a beautiful thing, isn't it?

This is an appropriate time for me to sign off the boards. I will probably be back to check in, but it's healthier for ME to move on to other things. I hope I have offered even one person a little help over the months. Thank you all for your support and suggestions. All the best to each and every one of you.
all I can say is THANK YOU......all the dr/hospital told me was it will just take a little while to get over this....now 6 weeks later the MAJORITY of the effects are gone but I am JUST now becoming able to think,and have stopped being dizzy 24/7
again THANK all of y'all for sharing your information
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yep, Mark you are completely correct. I was very fortunate, much more so than most, to be referred to a neurologist on the first try who at least knows what i'm dealing with. I also take for granted being in a good sized city where there are several choices. I'm glad that you edited my suggestion there.

There are so many helpful sections in the TBI guide, one in particular was about how to prepare for dr. visits. This has helped me to get what i need out of the appointments.
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Wow- informative post by PCSLearner. Thanks for that.
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Mark, great post.

I am dealing with hubby's medical info and you are so right on the nose with your advice, you need a great big THANK YOU FOR SHARING award!!!


QUOTE=Mark in Idaho;723686]I take exception to Marilee's recommendation of getting to a neurologist. While this may sound like the logical thing to do, Marilee was very fortunate to find a neurologist who has some level of understanding of Post Concussion Syndrome.

I have been seen by many neurologists. Only 2 out of at least 12 or 15 had a decent understanding of concussion. The wrong neurologist can start a medical record that can follow your quest for help and get in the way of future help. The riskiest neurologist in my opinion, is the one who works in a large multi-specialty group practice or HMO.

I am talking of the clinics of group that share access to medical records. If the family practice and ob/gyn and neurologist, etc. all have access to your complete records, the wrong label or diagnosis can block you access to further care.

In my case, one doctor diagnosed my as somatoform disorder. This can mean three different things. His symptoms are unexplainable, his symptoms are likely made up (psycho-somatic or hypochondriac) or we recognize his symptoms but can not reach a definitive diagnosis. The first two can leave you in limbo land or worse. The last can hopefully leave a chance at further diagnostic work.

After one doctor in my HMO diagnosed me as somatoform, my access to further help shut down. I spent my own money to get further diagnostic work but even then, my health care company (HMO) refused to even consider my private doctor's diagnosis.

So, if your are going to see a neurologist, get a referral to a neuro who has a true understanding of concussion. This will be a difficult but important task. If litigation is involved, do not do this wiithout the advice of your attorney.

My recommendation for early on is to learn to recognize your symptoms. The TBI Guide is a good startat helping you understand them. Telling a doctor that you don't feel right or feel dizzy or confused is too subjective. If you can better define the specific symptoms (but not in medical terms), the doctors can put a better picture together. Using medical terms creates a risk of being rejected by doctors who do not like patients doing self-diagnosis. The modern term for this is cyber-chondriac.

Instead, say:

I get stuck trying to find a simple word. I might know what I want to say but can't get the word to my lips. This has never happened to me before as often as it happens now.

The bright lights overwhelm me.

The voice of multiple people talking at the same time causes me to become disoriented.

If I try to watch TV, I can not pick out the dialogue from the common noises in the house like the heater fan, etc.

Try to define any specific situations where your symptoms get worse. Morning, at the mall, after trying to read, etc.

It also helps if you can bring a family member with you to explain what they observe. They can also take notes for later reference.

And, DO NOT SOUND LIKE YOU ARE WHINING or grumbling. A journal can help take the whine out of your presentation of symptoms to the doctor.[/QUOTE]
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Back to the original idea of the thread (things you wish that you'd known, which might possibly help others who have just had a concussion):

I am now taking pregabalin (Lyrica) - 100 mg a mealtimes (three times a day) and 150 mg before bed. That seems to work well and I am feeling a lot better on it, mainly greatly reduced pain.

I wish that I had been prescribed more medication initially. Of course, you can't just get whatever you want over the counter. You have to rely on the doctors and someone newly concussed isn't in the best place to know what to ask for. However, I do think that if I had started taking something earlier then it might have been easier to get through a really horrible period and cope with a lot of pain.

You have to get to know what works for you, how much to take etc.. That all takes time; years in my case. I haven't found much relief from over-the-counter medication, ibuprofen, aspirin, acetaminophen (paracetamol) etc.. I have found that only daily medication for a period had any effect. Just taking a couple of aspirin seems to do nothing at all.

There can be a problem regarding over-use and side-effects. With amitriptyline I found that there were some side-effects but once you have been on it for a period of time it is really difficult to come off. I have had to cut down by 2.5 mg at a time and then stay on the new dose for a while. I have reached a dose of only 2.5 mg a day now, but that is after a year of gradually reducing the dose. I think that this drug is known for this difficulty, so I would recommend consulting a doctor before reducing the dose.

It is a real drag being dependent on medication but for me it is worth it for the beneficial effects of the drugs, pregabalin for me (I think that the effects should be very similar to that of gabapentin, which I have not tried, because the two drugs have the same target). Somebody else might do better with a different drug. I hope that something works for you.

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Do you know of a good neurologist in the Boise area?
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You made some good points. I too experienced the frustration of going to the wrong medical professional. He was a more of a psych-neuro guy and not a neurologist. Unfortunately I wasted 4 hours taking tests that did not really add up to much. He seemed more interested in diagnosing me with depression or stress induced anxiety and completely discounted the fact that I experienced my second diagnosed concussion in a year. I work in a demanding job with a lot of responsibility so of course I experience stress but I like stress, it helps push me to achieve. My doctor fortunately seemed to support my views of the missed diagnosis however he has not been able to come up with a good treatment to help alleviate my lingering symptoms of poor balance, poor memory and sensitivity to noise. And to make things worse its now 2 months later and I hit my head again and was diagnosed with a third concussion. This one has made the lingering symptoms worse and my reaction times and vestibular deficiencies have lead my doctor to restrict me from driving. It sounds as if you may have an understanding of the issues from concussion symptoms that last a while. Have you made any progress in recovery?
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I take exception to Marilee's recommendation of getting to a neurologist. While this may sound like the logical thing to do, Marilee was very fortunate to find a neurologist who has some level of understanding of Post Concussion Syndrome.

I have been seen by many neurologists. Only 2 out of at least 12 or 15 had a decent understanding of concussion. The wrong neurologist can start a medical record that can follow your quest for help and get in the way of future help. The riskiest neurologist in my opinion, is the one who works in a large multi-specialty group practice or HMO.

I am talking of the clinics of group that share access to medical records. If the family practice and ob/gyn and neurologist, etc. all have access to your complete records, the wrong label or diagnosis can block you access to further care.

In my case, one doctor diagnosed my as somatoform disorder. This can mean three different things. His symptoms are unexplainable, his symptoms are likely made up (psycho-somatic or hypochondriac) or we recognize his symptoms but can not reach a definitive diagnosis. The first two can leave you in limbo land or worse. The last can hopefully leave a chance at further diagnostic work.

After one doctor in my HMO diagnosed me as somatoform, my access to further help shut down. I spent my own money to get further diagnostic work but even then, my health care company (HMO) refused to even consider my private doctor's diagnosis.

So, if your are going to see a neurologist, get a referral to a neuro who has a true understanding of concussion. This will be a difficult but important task. If litigation is involved, do not do this wiithout the advice of your attorney.

My recommendation for early on is to learn to recognize your symptoms. The TBI Guide is a good startat helping you understand them. Telling a doctor that you don't feel right or feel dizzy or confused is too subjective. If you can better define the specific symptoms (but not in medical terms), the doctors can put a better picture together. Using medical terms creates a risk of being rejected by doctors who do not like patients doing self-diagnosis. The modern term for this is cyber-chondriac.

Instead, say:

I get stuck trying to find a simple word. I might know what I want to say but can't get the word to my lips. This has never happened to me before as often as it happens now.

The bright lights overwhelm me.

The voice of multiple people talking at the same time causes me to become disoriented.

If I try to watch TV, I can not pick out the dialogue from the common noises in the house like the heater fan, etc.

Try to define any specific situations where your symptoms get worse. Morning, at the mall, after trying to read, etc.

It also helps if you can bring a family member with you to explain what they observe. They can also take notes for later reference.

And, DO NOT SOUND LIKE YOU ARE WHINING or grumbling. A journal can help take the whine out of your presentation of symptoms to the doctor.
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Things I wish I had known when I had post concussive syndrome:

1) Doctor intervention is important. Getting to the right doctors always makes a difference. Headaches and anxiety were treated, plus Occipital Neuralgia.

2)Keeping a diary of your symptoms every day is important. You can look back and feel good about progress, also it is a great tool to show to your doctors and therapists.

3)"Rest? What rest? I can't sleep! I am lucky if I get sleep at all!". This is the very thing I said to the doctors, and was later prescribed on mirtazapine, which controlled sleep, nausea and appetite. 4 months later, I successfully tapered off of mirt and have beautiful sleep. Do what you can to get rest. I can't express that enough.

4)Nutrition is important. Mark's Vitamins and Supplements thread helped me a bunch. I still take the vitamin regimen every day, and to be honest, even though I have recovered, my ADD brain performs better and I can calm down when frustrated.

5)Avoid going out into crowded places. The stress, nausea and pain from going out actually make me run back into my car, plus it takes a bit of time to recover from a place called Wal-Mart. Now, I can go into Wal-Mart without problems now that I have recovered.

6)Remember that song It takes two to make things go right? Well, that is correct. In fact, sometimes more than two people is great. People need support from other people, especially during PCS/TBI. I can't express how great it was to have my friend watch over me everyday. She supported me during my dark times and understood my triggers, and on good days, we would do low stimulation activities such as art.

7)"Being normal" are two bad words during PCS, and should never be used. You will never recover to "normal". It's not possible. During healing, the brain changes so much and ever so slowly, and during your PCS journey, your personality does change. Mine changed for the better, I feel more grateful towards life and I am no longer afraid to ask for help when I need it. However, the hot-headed stubborn part hasn't changed. lol! I am still 98% recovered with symptoms of Occipital Neuralgia since April of 2013.

8)An anti-depressant helps sometimes in some situations. During my PCS journey, I was extremely anxious and depressed. My brain was screaming for help as I felt I had lost everything in my life and wanted it back. This caused major depressive disorder caused by both my ADHD and PCS. Having both didn't help plus being anxious all the time didn't help, I got on board with Paxil. I have not tapered yet since it helps me with my troubling ADHD symptoms since childhood, such as depressive episodes and some anxiety.

9)"I'm having a good day, can I watch some television?" Absolutely not. You need 2 weeks of good days to determine if you feel better, and even then over-stimulation should only be increased little by little daily to see what you can handle. I was an avid gamer before my PCS and it killed me to not have gaming in my life. 2 weeks passed, and I slowly got into video games slowly. Proteus and the game Flower was very easy on my brain, and so was brain training games like Lumosity. I went into increasing by 5 minute intervals each day.

10)Life is full of ups and downs. This is a down that will soon become an up. I promise, its gets better from here. You will improve in some way. Take care of you during this time. I felt grief and mourning over my life during PCS, which later turned into acceptance and happiness after a while.

I really hope this helps you all as this comes from a PCS survivor. If you have any questions, drop me a message. I will be happy to help. Brain injury awareness is important and the support is lacking.

Warm wishes to you,

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Symptoms: Occipital Neuralgia.
2 MRI's and CT normal.

Currently going through Paxil withdrawals, and psych has me on L-Theanine, Benadryl for zaps, and Lemon Balm. It has eased it by a bit, so I am continuing the treatment till 1 month from now.

Made a 98% recovery on April 8, 2013 with only symptoms of pinched nerves/Occipital Neuralgia in the head and is being treated with injections and physical therapy.

Was experiencing:
Migraines, Headaches, Nausea and Vomiting, Panic Attacks and Anxiety, Depression, Major Insomnia, Brain Fog, Tinnitus, Lethargy, Loss of appetite, Major Heart Palpitations, Occipital Neuralgia has eased a bit.

Vitamins and Medicines: , L-Theanine, Omega 3 Super DHA 900mg, Stress B-Complex Extra Strength, Potassium Gluconate 1000mg, Magnesium Malate 1250mg, Vitamin D3 2000 IU, Methylcobalamin B-12 5000 mcg, Vitamin C 500mg, Lemon Balm.

Things that helped me: My Vitamin Regimen, Medication, Earplugs (Love these!), Nature Sounds, Hydrotherapy, Neck Pillow with Heat, Heating Pads, Resting, Being Outside!

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I just joined and thank you for your post. I'd like to PM you but don't know how as I have some questions that are specific and are specific to the Treasure Valley. I've had PCS for 2 years now and am having a horrible time here in the TV to find doctors who know what to do with me. I was a bike racer prior to my accident and cannot ride for more than 20 minutes before getting awful facial pains. I want to return to my life and you seem to be the guru! Any more suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi CS,

what a terrific idea you have here. I'm happy to add some thoughts.

1. get to a neurologist if you haven't already. you might need PT or other treatments, don't be afraid to ask questions and if you are able bring someone with you who can push back on the doctor if you feel like you're not getting answers.

2. if you suffer from over stimulation wear sunglasses and ear plugs. This tip was shared with me here and made a world of difference.

Also, I've been struggling a lot with noise sensitivity and over stim even at home. Noises like lawnmowers, weed whackers (have no idea why a lawn in seattle needs to be mowed in Dec), big trucks, esp. garbage trucks (Ugh - the worst) all cause me a lot of trouble.

Yesterday my husband came home with a set of noise canceling headphones for me. Wow is all i can say. I think there are some really pricey ones made by bose but i didn't get those. I'm not sure how much he spent, all i can say is so far its worth it. I feel protected the same way i do with sunglasses on and it takes the ear plugs to a whole new level. I wore them all day today.

hope these are helpful to anyone out there.
What kind of headphones? The Bose are so expensive. I'm going on a plane trip and want something that will reduce the roar. If you are anyone came give me specific brand names that would be great as I'm needing to buy them this weekend. Thanks!
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