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cheergirl 07-16-2011 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark in Idaho (Post 783836)
Seat belts reduce brain injuries by preventing the head from hitting the windshield. With a seat belt on, the head stops moving over a much greater distance, say 12 to 24 inches. When the head hits the windshield or dashboard, it stops rather quickly in 2 to 6 inches depending on how far into the windshield the head penetrates.

G forces and their impact on the brain depend on how quickly the skull stops moving or starts moving. When an object causes the sudden change in movement, the key factor is the amount of distortion of the impacting object and/or helmet.

If you were to look at the slow motion replay of a hit to the head, you might observe the head bouncing back off the surface or impacting object. A springy helmet lining could cause such a rebound. A fall to concrete could cause a bounce or could be absorbed by a deformation of the skull. Oddly enough, a little skull deformation or even fracture can greatly reduce the imp[act forces on the brain. The deformed area will likely have a focal injury but there will be less G force transmitted to the rest of the brain.

So, there are many factors that come into play when the head is accelerated or decelerated rapidly. There is often a rotational force involved, too. This rotational or twisting force impacts the brain against the many boney protuberances inside the skull. There can be bruising at the outer edges where the brain hits these boney protuberances. There can be shearing or tearing in the center of the brain as the brain twists against the central brain structures.

The only way to reduce brain damage is to create a system of padding or such to allow for the impact forces to be spread over a longer period of time which usually means more distortion at the moment of impact.

Estersdoll,

Vit B-12 is not absorbed orally for some people. There are sub-lingual drops that can be helpful. My wife takes them. The Lumosity has not shown to help with recovery but it is useful at improving brain skills that can help overcome other PCS symptoms by having stronger functions in other areas.

Think of it this way. You can try lifting something with your back by going from hunched over to erect. This can injure the back in many ways. This injured back can still do work if the person learns to lift with their legs. By keeping their weak back straight and balanced under the load, the legs do the lifting.

The brain is amazing at how it can use other undamaged functions to overcome weak or damaged functions. For me, Lumosity and Posit Science did not do any good because the functions they are designed to improve are already at near maximum levels of function.

Most people do not have highly developed observation skills such as those exercised by Lumosity and Posit Science. Improving these skills acts like a work-around as the brain learns new skills and neural pathways for doing functions that have been weakened by the concussion.

For example, I used to have a photographic memory. Not anymore. When I do the exercises that require remembering the location of a target, I can not be successful if I try to visualize the location of the target. Instead, I convert the image into a description. If the target is at 9:00 midway toward the edge of the field of view, I mentally say the textual description as " mid 9 o'clock" or some such similar description.

I learned this system driving. I can no longer remember what I just saw as I look to the left at a stop sign. By the time I have looked to the right, the left image is gone. So, instead, I say to myself, "clear on the left" as I look to the right. When "clear on the left" matches with a visual of 'clear on the right,' I can proceed.

If you have a hole in the pants pocket you habitually use but those pants have two pockets, you train your brain to use the other pocket.

Are you guys getting the idea?

i can't keep up with everything you are saying but it sounds really intersting and like ou know what you're talking about....thanks for the info

Concussed Scientist 07-17-2011 07:25 AM

Creatine
 
Hi Confuused,

You are quite right about the effect on the brain of trauma causing metabolic cascades and calcium influx into cells. This puts brain cells into an energy deficit, basically their fuel runs out. ATP is the body's primary energy fuel and if this get used up in brain cells, they will struggle and eventually die.

Creatine is made naturally in brain, heart and muscle cells and acts as an energy buffer. In times of plenty a phosphate group is removed from the ATP, inactivating it as a fuel, and the phosphate is put onto creatine, storing it. In times of need, the phosphate is put back. So the creatine acts like a battery that can be charged up and then used when necessary.

As creatine is made naturally, there is no need for most people to take it as a supplement. Body builders take it to bulk up. Presumably if the muscle batteries are topped up then they will be able to release more energy in workouts and thus be able to bulk up more quickly.

The reason for its neuroprotective function, however, is not because it helps us to bulk up. The batteries in brain cells might also benefit from being topped up, especially if there is damage in that department due to injury. Effects have been seen on laboratory rodents. Creatine has also been trialed on humans. I believe it was about 4 grams per day or more. There was a study done for the American military the effects of nutrition on so-called "mild" traumatic brain injury, and the conclusions were basically that it might have possible benefits but more study needs to be done.

I have tried taking creatine and found that it tastes pretty disgusting and is also pretty insoluble, so it is difficult to take in sufficient quantities on a regular basis over a period of time. So, I can't tell you what the beneficial effects, if any, might be. However, I certainly think that it is a possibility and I might try taking it regularly if I can find a suitable form that isn't too disgusting to drink.

There are formulations of it made for body builders that are powder mixed with flavouring. It might be worth looking into. I think that if you were using it anyway as a body builder then there might be a benefit to brain energy but that would be because of a separate function creatine has in the brain not merely because of your increased bulk.

Concussed Scientist

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Originally Posted by confuused905 (Post 783138)
hey amazinggrace,
after a concussion, there's a sequence of metabolic cascades that involve potassium leaking from cells and calcium influx into cells. however calcium is harmful to cellular metabolism in the mitochondria (cellular metabolism being responsible for ATP production). since creatine is a synthetic variant of ATP, it would make sense for creatine to provide energy for brain cells that are actively repairing. however, i'm not sure any neurologist would recommend this due to the load that creatine places on the kidneys.


Jinxicat9 07-18-2011 12:09 AM

I somewhat agree Cheergirl...I get information overload here on some of these posts (something common that befalls on a TBI survivor). I'm a long way from being able to put together and type out those kind of long detailed post or remembering what they were about by the time I get to the end of them. No offense, but sometimes the posts here sound more like just another doctor rattling off his facts rather than just the average person living with a TBI or PCS.

Again, no offense, but if I could go back to getting, preparing and typing out that much detailed info...I'd be working and not need to be looking for helpful info here. :rolleyes:

yar69 07-18-2011 02:12 PM

I always wonder with pcs and treatments .if it matters which part of the brain was damaged .mine is left side of my head above my ear .different parts of the brain do different things so maybe it takes different types of therapy for different parts that were injured . as for strength training in all that jazz .im 6,2 215 with a 32 inch waist .I even wrestled from first grade on. Made it to state twice. Let me tell you nobody has a neck like a wrestlers neck. I'm sorry to say in the 70 miles an hour rollover it didn't help too much . exercise and eating right I am all 4 . cos it can't hurt it can only help right .remember were not sprinters anymore. we're like long distance runners. we must all pace ourselves to our own needs. hope this helps .

Mark in Idaho 07-18-2011 02:38 PM

Jinx,

Thanks for the complement on my ability to post lots of information. If I tried to tell you this same information verbally, I would get all mixed up and confused. I use the keyboard and computer screen to slow the way my brain processes information. With this slower mechanism, I can organize my thoughts.

I also use the computer screen as my immediate and short term memory. I am frequently rereading the prior sentence to get back on track with my thoughts. It is a skill I have developed over the past ten years by doing it over and over.

I can still hit mental road blocks that stop me in my tracks. When that happens, I have to just walk away.

I have been developing/learning work-arounds and other PCS coping skills for 40 years. I can function at very high levels if I can set the pace for the task. If someone else sets the pace, I will try to follow or keep up but soon crash. When I reach that point, I may withdraw completely or explode verbally.

If I could find work where I could set the pace and not have to put up with pressures from others, I could be very successful. As the occupational psychologist said at my SSDI disability hearing, those employment situations do not exist very frequently. My SSDI qualification was not based on my cognitive and memory deficits. It was based on my inability to work in normal work situations.

When I do take on a intense task, it can take me two to three times as long as expected. I need to take breaks when I hit these mental road blocks.

I would love to work with others who have suffered mTBI and such except it requires state licensing. I had to drop out of college where I was studying to get into dental school because of my inability to handle the stress loads.

I know I can get long winded. I break my posts up into short paragraphs to help people read them easier.

It may help if those who found something of interest would print out the post. Then they can read the post at a leisurely pace. I do this from time to time. I even cut and paste posts or articles into MSWord so I can break it into smaller bites.

Yes, the PCS brain can easily become overwhelmed with information. Learning how to handle and manipulate information is an important part of over-coming PCS.

If anybody has specific problems with processing information, Post your struggles and someone will have a way to work through that problem.

btw, After having to deal with many episodes of relapse into severe PCS, I have come to accept that some skills will recover but many will require learning new ways to do things.

JoeT 08-03-2011 08:07 PM

Hello!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark in Idaho (Post 787670)
Jinx,

Thanks for the complement on my ability to post lots of information. If I tried to tell you this same information verbally, I would get all mixed up and confused. I use the keyboard and computer screen to slow the way my brain processes information. With this slower mechanism, I can organize my thoughts.

I also use the computer screen as my immediate and short term memory. I am frequently rereading the prior sentence to get back on track with my thoughts. It is a skill I have developed over the past ten years by doing it over and over.

I can still hit mental road blocks that stop me in my tracks. When that happens, I have to just walk away.

I have been developing/learning work-arounds and other PCS coping skills for 40 years. I can function at very high levels if I can set the pace for the task. If someone else sets the pace, I will try to follow or keep up but soon crash. When I reach that point, I may withdraw completely or explode verbally.

If I could find work where I could set the pace and not have to put up with pressures from others, I could be very successful. As the occupational psychologist said at my SSDI disability hearing, those employment situations do not exist very frequently. My SSDI qualification was not based on my cognitive and memory deficits. It was based on my inability to work in normal work situations.

When I do take on a intense task, it can take me two to three times as long as expected. I need to take breaks when I hit these mental road blocks.

I would love to work with others who have suffered mTBI and such except it requires state licensing. I had to drop out of college where I was studying to get into dental school because of my inability to handle the stress loads.

I know I can get long winded. I break my posts up into short paragraphs to help people read them easier.

It may help if those who found something of interest would print out the post. Then they can read the post at a leisurely pace. I do this from time to time. I even cut and paste posts or articles into MSWord so I can break it into smaller bites.

Yes, the PCS brain can easily become overwhelmed with information. Learning how to handle and manipulate information is an important part of over-coming PCS.

If anybody has specific problems with processing information, Post your struggles and someone will have a way to work through that problem.

btw, After having to deal with many episodes of relapse into severe PCS, I have come to accept that some skills will recover but many will require learning new ways to do things.

Hello Mark. I just wanted to thank you for posting this. I have just found this site now and have read a bunch of the posts. But in this post it sounds like I wrote it. It has been frustrating me for a long time why I can email people but can not talk to any one for more than a few minutes at most. And usally just simple or to me stupid stuff.

I wish my family could know that it is not that I do not want to talk to thm but that my head for some reason just goes blank or haywire.

I just wanted to thank you for writing this.

Mark in Idaho 08-04-2011 12:08 AM

JoeT,

I know exactly what you are saying. The struggle to be spontaneous with others is a big problem with me too. I can not chit chat or do other non-specific dialog.

I find that if I need to say something to someone, I need to rehearse it in my mind first. If I don't, I will often get lost or confused as I try to talk. My wife knows when I am just shutting down and can cover for me. Others just think I am weird or rude.

Joe, You are with friends who understand.

My best to you.

Togeone 05-24-2012 06:47 PM

little things
 
Some solutions that work for me (apart from the regular ones):

- Night before: make a list of easy, simple things that I could do that day (whatever you can safely handle - ie. water the plants, do the dishes...)
- Morning: edit the 'easy' to do list
- nap after each thing you do on the list
- wear earplugs and sunglasses all the time. The good earplugs REALLY help me.
- force yourself to nap at regular time - even if you feel good
- have a timer handy - especially by the computer. Set it, and obey it! Don't over do it.
- keep a journal: write in in daily or more. Will help to monitor symptoms and identify issues. Also very therapeutic.

Good luck to all!

Galaxy1012 03-04-2015 01:52 AM

Can someone please post a thread on neck exercises that one can do at home.

ilikepolkadots 03-07-2015 01:13 PM

I love this topic too! Think it should be a sticky!

FOOD:
Paleo style diet
Low sodium
Low to no sugar
No caffeine (big help)
Lots and lots of Veggies! -huge improvement
Protein smoothies
Eating often
Walnuts
Blueberries
Green smoothies
Lean meats
Meats hormone free
No Alcohol
Lots of water
Lots of herbal no caffeine tea

SUPPLEMENTS
Niacin! Crazy but I take 3500 a day. I gradually increased as the flush lessened.
Nordic Naturals Omega 3 with D3
B's!
Potassium
5HTP
Vitamin C high dose
Women's One a day
Glucosamine Condritent (sp)

EXERCISES
Riding my bike
Neck Exercise: chin tucks, stretching
Playing! (Read Charlie Hoehn's Cure for Anxiety blog) and the book 'Play' by Stuart Brown MD
- throwing a frisbee
- playing fetch with my dogs
- shooting hoops
- dumb regular old play that makes you smile (think back to your childhood or pre injury days)
Sunshine! Outside activity for 20 minutes
Stretching
Yoga
Body strength exercises

OTHER
Not complaining (trying!)
Gratitude
Meditation (Deepak Chopras 21 day meds are great!)
Spiritual practice (for me it's sneaking into church after the music and out before the noise of conversation)
Sunshine again
Brain Breaks- every 2 hours period 10-20 minutes decompressing the mind allowing it to breathe
Breathing
Laughter (I'll watch stand up comedy on netflix after a really bad symptom day)


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