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Old 04-02-2012, 04:20 PM #1
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Research done on QEEG and its effectiveness in diagnosing/treating PCS has been confirmed in several studies done in this area of research. Although I can not say anything about the quality of these studies or if they were financially motivated.

Many of these studies and their findings have been dealt with in this article:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15493535 [Abstract]

http://sydney-neurofeedback.com.au/d...ff,%202004.pdf [Full article]

I think the main problem with this therapy is the large amount of stimulation in the therapy session and probably also the lack of PCS knowledge in many of the practitioners.
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EsthersDoll,

I wonder if you are confusing neurofeedback with neurotherapy such as LENS and ROSHI. The non-volitional neurotherapy systems do have a problem with seizures and other adverse events.

The neurofeedback that uses volitional therapy has a very good and safe record. Its goal is to teach the client to get better control of their mind and body. Think of bio-feedback for control of Blood Pressure and Pulse. This neurofeedback asks for the client to make thought changes to change the wave-forms to a targeted wave form. It can be highly effective with ADD/ADHD.

With PCS, it can help the client develop under-developed skills to use to overcome some PCS symptoms. Sometimes, the PCS client has allowed some brain systems to get lazy. This can help strengthen those lazy skills.

Unfortunately, there are many therapists who have tried to put non-volitional neurotherapy under the same name as volitional neurofeedback. They do this to get the treatments included in the range of treatments approved for their therapy specialty. I read the online minutes of a large eastern US therapists association where this was discussed as a primary goal.

But, in keg's situation, it was likely used well past the fatigue point of his brain.

His comments regarding HBOT lead me to believe that he is not necessarily getting true healing. Rather, he is getting a booster shot of oxygenated brain cells and some very disciplined rest, relaxation and breathing. This makes me believe that keg is not getting good brain oxygenation during his normal sleep cycles. This is a big problem for me as I have struggled with Central Sleep Apnea since my injury in 2001.

But, what many of us would pay to have those great days of oxygenated and alive brains. I have wondered about trying to get a prescription for an oxygen concentrator and nasal cannula to breath more concentrated oxygen when I sleep. Dreaming with a fully oxygenated brain is so nice.
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... But, what many of us would pay to have those great days of oxygenated and alive brains. I have wondered about trying to get a prescription for an oxygen concentrator and nasal cannula to breath more concentrated oxygen when I sleep. Dreaming with a fully oxygenated brain is so nice.
Mark, as a Respiratory Therapist, i would not recommend this idea for you. You have Central Sleep Apnea which means your neuro system "forgets" to breathe, you say it "remembers" to kick in when your oxygen falls. If you had that much oxygen it would not kick in again.

In order for it to work, you'd need to switch to a BiPAP machine, which means it guarantees so many breaths per minute and it pushes in a preset inspiratory air pressure, as well as maintain the expiratory pressure. CPAP is just expiratory pressure, it does not ensure that you take a breath, and it is more used for Obstructive Sleep Apnea (i.e. tongue falls back and obstructs breath efforts).

Neither would an O2 cannula; it would in fact fool your neuro system into not breathing anymore since lack of oxygen is what triggers your breathing. Is your CPAP really adequate and ensures you take enough breaths?? Really not likely, and if I were you I'd get another sleep study titration done at a different place that understands the difference between OSA = CPAP and CSA = BiPAP!

For oxygen, your BiPAP machine can have an adapter for O2 tubing going to the concentrator. For BiPAP, you would need another sleep study to determine the settings you need. For Oxygen to be prescribed along with it, you'd need documentation that your O2 sat falls down while you're sleeping. (At least in order for your insurance to pay for it.)

BEST WISHES Mark -- stay safe!! (P.S. I wonder too if this issue may be causing a lot of your PCS mud days, fatigue, etc... CPAP is just most often not adequate for CSA.) Tell me what your current setting is, just in case you do in fact have a BiPAP machine and not just CPAP, just so we all understand the difference; some people seem to use CPAP as a generic term. Is your setting one number, like 5, or is it two numbers, like 10 / 5 ?
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