Traumatic Brain Injury and Post Concussion Syndrome For traumatic brain injury (TBI) and post concussion syndrome (PCS).


advertisement
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-24-2013, 07:37 AM #1
mouse1's Avatar
mouse1 mouse1 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 448
10 yr Member
mouse1 mouse1 is offline
Member
mouse1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 448
10 yr Member
Default SNRI's

Have those of you with PCS who have taken an SNRI found them useful? Has anyone else been on them and withdrawn from them. If so how long were you on them for?

I have been on Cymbalta since early March, firstly 30mg and now 60mg. I had a conversation with my doctor about coming off them because my symptoms are greatly reduced and I am back working long hours 3 days a week and I am about to move to 4 days.

I was surprised when he said he wants me to stay on 60mg for 3 more months and then 30mg for a further 3 months. I suppose I have been off work for 5 months and he doesn't want to take any chances. I didn't want to be on Cymbalta for 8 months but I will leave it in his capable hands.
__________________
PCS following head injury November 2012. Experienced dizzyness, light and noise sensitivity, hypercusis, fatigue, insomnia, migraines, facial pain, problems concentrating, irritability, sensory overload, exercise intolerance.

Symptoms mostly resolved, working full time and I am now mostly better. I wake 6am daily since my injury. Was experiencing daily Neuralgia which was controlled with Cymbalta 30mg, Lyrica 200mg daily. Now only on 30mg Cymbalta.

Last edited by mouse1; 04-24-2013 at 09:10 AM.
mouse1 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote

advertisement
Old 04-24-2013, 08:04 AM #2
MiaVita2012's Avatar
MiaVita2012 MiaVita2012 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: N/A
Posts: 685
10 yr Member
MiaVita2012 MiaVita2012 is offline
Member
MiaVita2012's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: N/A
Posts: 685
10 yr Member
Thumbs down I Can Relate

I am on Pristiq 50mg since January and in March M.D. raised to 100mg because I went in office upset because I needed a psychologist.I did not do the 100mg well.It physically jacked me up that I could not do anything because I was so fatigued. My TBI vestibular therapist told me I needed to get changed back to 50mg. She see's me 2 times a week and can tell how I feel.I was having trouble going to all my M.D.s appointments.That lasted 2weeks of dragging my feet and no motivation.

I went and demanded my dose back to 50mg.The withdraw was very bad that lasted about a week to get medicine back to a therapeutic blood level.

Why did he raise you?If you are not comfortable with this I would of demanded to not raise it!That's what I had learned about this whole PCS, that it is my body and if I do not want something then I do not have to.

This could cause you every 3months to miss more work because you will be going threw withdraw and you will not feel good.
__________________
What Happened: In 2011 I was in a MVA
.


Symptoms: Physical: I am always cold in any season!!I cannot tolerate anything pressure on my head(sun glasses,hats)longer then a hour,Lock jaw/Displaced TMJ, Dropsey, Hands go numb, Arms go numb, back of head numb (when asleep),Muscle spasms in face & upper body,migraines, concentration headaches, dizziness, nausea, neck and back trauma (from accident), tinnitus, extreme light sensitivity, noise sensitivity, EXTREME fatigue, impaired vestibular system, balance off, Pupils NEVER equal, disrupted sleep cycles,speech problems.

Cognitive: Cognitive Behavior, Brain fog, impulsivity, speech problems, word finding problems, slowed processing speeds, impaired visual memory, impaired complex attention

Emotional: Unable to handle stress or overstimulation without getting extremely irritable or angry, easily overstimulated, MAJOR depression, major anxiety, Panic attacks

Treatment so far: Treatment for PCS,PTSD,Depression & panic,Vestibular therapy, Physical therapy, Vitamin Schedule,Walking,No Dairy, No eggs, No caffeine, No artificial coloring, Sleep with 2 pillows, Very little sugars consumed, Eat healthy,No alcohol, Medications, limit stress and overstimulation.

~*~Learn to treasure yourself and your Divinity. Be willing to accept yourself completely. Be yourself, be graceful, be kind, be wild, be weird ... be true to yourself~*~
MiaVita2012 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
mouse1 (04-24-2013)
Old 04-24-2013, 08:28 AM #3
mouse1's Avatar
mouse1 mouse1 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 448
10 yr Member
mouse1 mouse1 is offline
Member
mouse1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 448
10 yr Member
Default

Another doctor raised it for pain, because I had pressure in my ears - not that it made any difference to this problem. To be fair, 30mg is the minimum dose, I am now on the standard adult dose and don't really have any side effects. I do get fatigued, but this is down to going back to work and/or exercise mostly. I would be keen to know how I got on without any meds because all the issues with mood/anxiety relate to the PCS which I am getting over now. I wonder if this SNRI could also be causing fatigue.
__________________
PCS following head injury November 2012. Experienced dizzyness, light and noise sensitivity, hypercusis, fatigue, insomnia, migraines, facial pain, problems concentrating, irritability, sensory overload, exercise intolerance.

Symptoms mostly resolved, working full time and I am now mostly better. I wake 6am daily since my injury. Was experiencing daily Neuralgia which was controlled with Cymbalta 30mg, Lyrica 200mg daily. Now only on 30mg Cymbalta.
mouse1 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 04-24-2013, 08:40 AM #4
MiaVita2012's Avatar
MiaVita2012 MiaVita2012 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: N/A
Posts: 685
10 yr Member
MiaVita2012 MiaVita2012 is offline
Member
MiaVita2012's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: N/A
Posts: 685
10 yr Member
Default It's a Catch 22

Yes it does have side effect of fatigue but it also can help fatigue.I only have fatigue in the beginning of taking SNRI, or when raised to much, or with withdraw.Did you already start the 60mg?
__________________
What Happened: In 2011 I was in a MVA
.


Symptoms: Physical: I am always cold in any season!!I cannot tolerate anything pressure on my head(sun glasses,hats)longer then a hour,Lock jaw/Displaced TMJ, Dropsey, Hands go numb, Arms go numb, back of head numb (when asleep),Muscle spasms in face & upper body,migraines, concentration headaches, dizziness, nausea, neck and back trauma (from accident), tinnitus, extreme light sensitivity, noise sensitivity, EXTREME fatigue, impaired vestibular system, balance off, Pupils NEVER equal, disrupted sleep cycles,speech problems.

Cognitive: Cognitive Behavior, Brain fog, impulsivity, speech problems, word finding problems, slowed processing speeds, impaired visual memory, impaired complex attention

Emotional: Unable to handle stress or overstimulation without getting extremely irritable or angry, easily overstimulated, MAJOR depression, major anxiety, Panic attacks

Treatment so far: Treatment for PCS,PTSD,Depression & panic,Vestibular therapy, Physical therapy, Vitamin Schedule,Walking,No Dairy, No eggs, No caffeine, No artificial coloring, Sleep with 2 pillows, Very little sugars consumed, Eat healthy,No alcohol, Medications, limit stress and overstimulation.

~*~Learn to treasure yourself and your Divinity. Be willing to accept yourself completely. Be yourself, be graceful, be kind, be wild, be weird ... be true to yourself~*~
MiaVita2012 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 04-24-2013, 09:07 AM #5
mouse1's Avatar
mouse1 mouse1 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 448
10 yr Member
mouse1 mouse1 is offline
Member
mouse1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 448
10 yr Member
Default

I have been on 60mg for over a month, it coincided with my return to work. I think it actually helped my fatigue when I started it at 30mg. It is hard to tell if 60mg is causing more fatigue because the increased dose coincided with my return to work. My routine consists of a 645am rise, 45minute drive and working 8-5 - which for someone who has been off for 5 months with PCS is going to be a challenge, but its going well! I honestly don't know if I would be at this stage without Cymbalta.
__________________
PCS following head injury November 2012. Experienced dizzyness, light and noise sensitivity, hypercusis, fatigue, insomnia, migraines, facial pain, problems concentrating, irritability, sensory overload, exercise intolerance.

Symptoms mostly resolved, working full time and I am now mostly better. I wake 6am daily since my injury. Was experiencing daily Neuralgia which was controlled with Cymbalta 30mg, Lyrica 200mg daily. Now only on 30mg Cymbalta.
mouse1 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 04-24-2013, 09:13 AM #6
MiaVita2012's Avatar
MiaVita2012 MiaVita2012 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: N/A
Posts: 685
10 yr Member
MiaVita2012 MiaVita2012 is offline
Member
MiaVita2012's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: N/A
Posts: 685
10 yr Member
Heart I Can Relate

I do not know where I would be without my SNRI as well.You are just getting back in the loop of work etc.You answered it yourself fatigue comes with progressing with life,work etc.
__________________
What Happened: In 2011 I was in a MVA
.


Symptoms: Physical: I am always cold in any season!!I cannot tolerate anything pressure on my head(sun glasses,hats)longer then a hour,Lock jaw/Displaced TMJ, Dropsey, Hands go numb, Arms go numb, back of head numb (when asleep),Muscle spasms in face & upper body,migraines, concentration headaches, dizziness, nausea, neck and back trauma (from accident), tinnitus, extreme light sensitivity, noise sensitivity, EXTREME fatigue, impaired vestibular system, balance off, Pupils NEVER equal, disrupted sleep cycles,speech problems.

Cognitive: Cognitive Behavior, Brain fog, impulsivity, speech problems, word finding problems, slowed processing speeds, impaired visual memory, impaired complex attention

Emotional: Unable to handle stress or overstimulation without getting extremely irritable or angry, easily overstimulated, MAJOR depression, major anxiety, Panic attacks

Treatment so far: Treatment for PCS,PTSD,Depression & panic,Vestibular therapy, Physical therapy, Vitamin Schedule,Walking,No Dairy, No eggs, No caffeine, No artificial coloring, Sleep with 2 pillows, Very little sugars consumed, Eat healthy,No alcohol, Medications, limit stress and overstimulation.

~*~Learn to treasure yourself and your Divinity. Be willing to accept yourself completely. Be yourself, be graceful, be kind, be wild, be weird ... be true to yourself~*~
MiaVita2012 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 04-24-2013, 02:41 PM #7
Mark in Idaho Mark in Idaho is offline
Legendary
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Somewhere near here
Posts: 11,418
15 yr Member
Mark in Idaho Mark in Idaho is offline
Legendary
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Somewhere near here
Posts: 11,418
15 yr Member
Default

L-Tyrosine can help with norepinephrine production. It may have less side-effects. I don't know the dosage conversion numbers. It may be worth asking an open-minded doctor for assistance.

Has anybody here used L-Tyrosine ?
__________________
Mark in Idaho

"Be still and know that I am God" Psalm 46:10
Mark in Idaho is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 04-24-2013, 03:26 PM #8
mouse1's Avatar
mouse1 mouse1 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 448
10 yr Member
mouse1 mouse1 is offline
Member
mouse1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 448
10 yr Member
Default

Mark, what is this exactly? Cymbalta is 10 fold serotonin to 1 norepineprine, so its different to other SNRI's like Effexor. To be fair, I don't really have side effects that I am sure of, but I suspect that fatigue could be an issue, but this fatigue I have is nothing compared to before when I had PCS in full flow. I was hoping I wasn't going to on any medication full stop, but I trust my doctor is doing the right thing.
__________________
PCS following head injury November 2012. Experienced dizzyness, light and noise sensitivity, hypercusis, fatigue, insomnia, migraines, facial pain, problems concentrating, irritability, sensory overload, exercise intolerance.

Symptoms mostly resolved, working full time and I am now mostly better. I wake 6am daily since my injury. Was experiencing daily Neuralgia which was controlled with Cymbalta 30mg, Lyrica 200mg daily. Now only on 30mg Cymbalta.
mouse1 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 04-24-2013, 03:39 PM #9
Mark in Idaho Mark in Idaho is offline
Legendary
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Somewhere near here
Posts: 11,418
15 yr Member
Mark in Idaho Mark in Idaho is offline
Legendary
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Somewhere near here
Posts: 11,418
15 yr Member
Default

L-Tryptophan is a good way to enhance serotonin. Some take 5-HTP because it is faster acting and cheaper but L-Tryptophan is much safer. I take 500 mgs of L-Tryptophan twice a day and have reduced my SSRI to half my previous dose. I will be cutting the rest of the SSRI by 50% soon.

L-Tyrosine is an amino acid available at the vitamin store or isle.
__________________
Mark in Idaho

"Be still and know that I am God" Psalm 46:10
Mark in Idaho is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 04-27-2013, 05:16 PM #10
mouse1's Avatar
mouse1 mouse1 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 448
10 yr Member
mouse1 mouse1 is offline
Member
mouse1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 448
10 yr Member
Default

I think all of this serotonin is upsetting my stomach, I have had this for the last 6 days on 60mg tablets and I haven't had this before. I recently swiched to 60mg two weeks ago. I have switched to two 30mg instead and if this doesn't work I am going down to 30mg. I cannot continue to do my job properly if it keeps up, so will go back to what I started on.
__________________
PCS following head injury November 2012. Experienced dizzyness, light and noise sensitivity, hypercusis, fatigue, insomnia, migraines, facial pain, problems concentrating, irritability, sensory overload, exercise intolerance.

Symptoms mostly resolved, working full time and I am now mostly better. I wake 6am daily since my injury. Was experiencing daily Neuralgia which was controlled with Cymbalta 30mg, Lyrica 200mg daily. Now only on 30mg Cymbalta.
mouse1 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
SNRI's and weight gain Katiebell Medications & Treatments 1 01-14-2012 09:17 AM
SNRI's Antidepressants.. Questions/help with pain? jess18 Medications & Treatments 9 11-27-2010 07:35 AM
Effexor? SNRi similar to Cymbalta? Mari Bipolar Disorder 24 10-19-2010 08:40 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:14 PM.

Powered by vBulletin • Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise v2.7.1 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
 

NeuroTalk Forums

Helping support those with neurological and related conditions.

 

The material on this site is for informational purposes only,
and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis or treatment
provided by a qualified health care provider.


Always consult your doctor before trying anything you read here.