Traumatic Brain Injury and Post Concussion Syndrome For traumatic brain injury (TBI) and post concussion syndrome (PCS).

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-25-2014, 08:49 PM #1
KnockedOutMom KnockedOutMom is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Canada
Posts: 120
10 yr Member
KnockedOutMom KnockedOutMom is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Canada
Posts: 120
10 yr Member
Default Is it possible to improve without meds?

I am a year PCS and it seems like every doctor I see wants to put me on depression meds and Ritalin for daytime fatigue. Has anyone had success without meds?

Does anyone have experience with ciprolex?
KnockedOutMom is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 09-25-2014, 11:00 PM #2
Mark in Idaho Mark in Idaho is offline
Legendary
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Somewhere near here
Posts: 11,427
15 yr Member
Mark in Idaho Mark in Idaho is offline
Legendary
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Somewhere near here
Posts: 11,427
15 yr Member
Default

Lexapro, Escitalopram, and Ciprolex are the same, an SSRI anti-depressant.

They will not cause healing from PCS. Depression meds can increase daytime fatigue. Ritalin will only mask the fatigue if it does that.

They will not cause healing but they may reduce symptoms that can delay healing.

How much sleep are you getting each night ? Are you getting good REM sleep ? Brain healing only happens during REM sleep.
__________________
Mark in Idaho

"Be still and know that I am God" Psalm 46:10
Mark in Idaho is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 09-25-2014, 11:35 PM #3
dawneve dawneve is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 71
10 yr Member
dawneve dawneve is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 71
10 yr Member
Default

The less meds, the better.
dawneve is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
Hockey (09-26-2014)
Old 09-25-2014, 11:35 PM #4
dawneve dawneve is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 71
10 yr Member
dawneve dawneve is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 71
10 yr Member
Default

Sleep is a huge problem for me...got any ideas?
dawneve is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 09-25-2014, 11:39 PM #5
Mark in Idaho Mark in Idaho is offline
Legendary
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Somewhere near here
Posts: 11,427
15 yr Member
Mark in Idaho Mark in Idaho is offline
Legendary
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Somewhere near here
Posts: 11,427
15 yr Member
Default

dawneve,

Do you have an established sleep hygiene ? It takes a process for me to sleep. What do you do during the 4 to 6 hours before you try to go to sleep ?
__________________
Mark in Idaho

"Be still and know that I am God" Psalm 46:10
Mark in Idaho is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 09-26-2014, 06:49 AM #6
Hockey's Avatar
Hockey Hockey is offline
Magnate
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: I know it's somewhere around here...
Posts: 2,032
15 yr Member
Hockey Hockey is offline
Magnate
Hockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: I know it's somewhere around here...
Posts: 2,032
15 yr Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KnockedOutMom View Post
Has anyone had success without meds?
After doing some research, I felt skeptical of the efficacy of SSRIs for brain injury patients. Among other things, unlike drugs like insulin or statins, I discovered that nobody could explain how SSRIs actually worked. I decided not to take them and have managed my depression and anxiety without drugs.

Things are not perfect, but, although I suffered a significant injury, I seem to be coping as well, or better, than many of my TBI peers. Mind you, I had no pre-morbid history of depression or anxiety.

In the end, each patient has to make their own decision about meds. I made mine, in conjunction with my psychologist.

The tipping point, for me, was Toronto's Sunnybrook Hospital's study on TBI and SSRIs. sunnybrook.ca/media/item.asp?c=1&i=258

Published in the November 2008 issue of the Journal of Psychopharmacology, it is the largest study on SSRIs in the treatment of major depression following TBI - and the only one NOT funded by the drug companies.

The study found no improvement in TBI patients on SSRIs and, in some cases, the drugs deepened the depression.
Hockey is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
"Thanks for this!" says:
ilikepolkadots (02-16-2015), RAllen82 (09-26-2014), Smilegrl24 (09-29-2014)
Old 09-26-2014, 08:01 AM #7
KnockedOutMom KnockedOutMom is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Canada
Posts: 120
10 yr Member
KnockedOutMom KnockedOutMom is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Canada
Posts: 120
10 yr Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Idaho View Post
Lexapro, Escitalopram, and Ciprolex are the same, an SSRI anti-depressant.

They will not cause healing from PCS. Depression meds can increase daytime fatigue. Ritalin will only mask the fatigue if it does that.

They will not cause healing but they may reduce symptoms that can delay healing.

How much sleep are you getting each night ? Are you getting good REM sleep ? Brain healing only happens during REM sleep.
I sleep on average 8-10 hours a night, depending on how easily I fall asleep which is usually quick! And also if I go through a period of insomnia where I wake up and can't get back to sleep. I do notice those days are a total write off!

I am doing a night and day sleep study this weekend so I will get more information regarding that soon.

Oh and I shared the same feelings as you on depression meds, I don't want to mask my symptoms and reality of life, I want to learn to accept and cope with it. It just seems that every doctor out there is pushing it on me...
KnockedOutMom is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 09-26-2014, 08:08 AM #8
KnockedOutMom KnockedOutMom is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Canada
Posts: 120
10 yr Member
KnockedOutMom KnockedOutMom is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Canada
Posts: 120
10 yr Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey View Post
After doing some research, I felt skeptical of the efficacy of SSRIs for brain injury patients. Among other things, unlike drugs like insulin or statins, I discovered that nobody could explain how SSRIs actually worked. I decided not to take them and have managed my depression and anxiety without drugs.

Things are not perfect, but, although I suffered a significant injury, I seem to be coping as well, or better, than many of my TBI peers. Mind you, I had no pre-morbid history of depression or anxiety.

In the end, each patient has to make their own decision about meds. I made mine, in conjunction with my psychologist.

The tipping point, for me, was Toronto's Sunnybrook Hospital's study on TBI and SSRIs. sunnybrook.ca/media/item.asp?c=1&i=258

Published in the November 2008 issue of the Journal of Psychopharmacology, it is the largest study on SSRIs in the treatment of major depression following TBI - and the only one NOT funded by the drug companies.

The study found no improvement in TBI patients on SSRIs and, in some cases, the drugs deepened the depression.
Thanks for that link. I have never been one for pharmaceuticals, I am a natural/homeopath kinda girl! So I am hesitant to just hop on the bandwagon because my doctor keeps pushing it. I don't want to be numb to my symptoms.
KnockedOutMom is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 09-26-2014, 12:20 PM #9
SuperElectric SuperElectric is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 326
10 yr Member
SuperElectric SuperElectric is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 326
10 yr Member
Default

You might want to look at this thread http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/sh...ighlight=sleep

People have different ways of dealing, or trying to deal with sleep it's a case of finding what works for you I guess.

Hey, did someone say they get 8-10 hours and fall asleep straight away - how is that humanly possible I ask 8-)
__________________
Concussion 28-02-2014 head butted a door edge.
.

Symptoms overcome: Nausea, head pressure, debilitating fatigue, jelly legs, raised pulse rate, night sweats, restlessness, depersonalisation, anxiety, neck ache, depression.
Symptoms left: Disturbed sleep, some residual tinnitus.
SuperElectric is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 09-26-2014, 12:30 PM #10
Mark in Idaho Mark in Idaho is offline
Legendary
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Somewhere near here
Posts: 11,427
15 yr Member
Mark in Idaho Mark in Idaho is offline
Legendary
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Somewhere near here
Posts: 11,427
15 yr Member
Default

KnockedOut,

When you wake up and can't get back to sleep, try getting up and doing something for a while before trying to go back to sleep. Read a book, do ironing, watch a boring movie, etc, to let your mind reset to sleep mode.
__________________
Mark in Idaho

"Be still and know that I am God" Psalm 46:10
Mark in Idaho is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:00 PM.


Powered by vBulletin • Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2025 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
 

NeuroTalk Forums

Helping support those with neurological and related conditions.

 

The material on this site is for informational purposes only,
and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis or treatment
provided by a qualified health care provider.


Always consult your doctor before trying anything you read here.